/hell/ - internet death cult

>>5416
Yes? Economics directly influence politics and vice versa. One should not judge others work based on the rest of their work. Yet ignoring it altogether is a foolish endeavor.

src:
https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/10546/312056/4/ml-how-politics-and-economics-intersect-270114-en.pdf https://news.virginia.edu/content/qa-do-politics-and-economics-go-hand-hand

Even if that was not the case, imagine coming to a DnD session with the sole intention of forcing others an opinion on such a heavy topic. That's what you are basically performing.

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To contribute, from my limited research political economy theories of Das Kapital I. are mostly about explaining economic structures with models that utilize raw production time of the humans producing the object (and defines it as Socially necesery labor time). He then goes on to propose scenarios where capitalistic principles and the free market decrease SNLT by inhumane and unethical practices and exploitation, according to him.

And then some rainbow rolls took it for gospel and tried to optimize the world based on Marx's metrics and principles. And there it went into the obvious clash with human agency and basic human rights and freedoms. Which it (for the most part) failed to address, resulting in even greater extortion of the working class.

If you cannot tell, this is a bait to get you to tell me how horribly I am wrong and educate me.

>>5414
Yes, economy is a political issue.

I am not opposed to having political arguments so long as they don't become shitfests. I also realize it is commonly used as a vector for injecting mind viruses in these kinds of sites so
we are at a dilemma!

Economics as a topic is very politically charged at worse, and divisive and heated at best, the crossfire itt shows this.

If you think it's neither political not divisive, on the very least you'd agree that it is not super compatible with the users of this site as shown itt.

I will allow this thread as long as you keep it civil and focus on the philosophy, theory and literature, disagree with class.

If I see this goes to a bad place I will lock the thread.

You may now continue enjoying the exciting discussion of "People want stuff. There's not enough stuff. So we argue about who gets what, how, and why"

>>5421
>People want stuff. There's not enough stuff.
That's where you're wrong janitor-kun

There is a 'Zen' way to affluence. If there's not enough stuff, we should limit our wants and live within our means to enjoy a simple but affluent living. But it seems many politicians are obsessed with ideas like productivity and growth and think that we can meet infinite human needs through increasing industrial productivity which necessitates more extensive exploitation of people and nature. This is futile because finite resources can never meet inexhaustible desires. I've only ever read Sahlins and know very little about economics beside him so I CTRL + V'd his shtick here.

>>5410
I don't think Engels is a good fit here. You can't really understand Marx without understanding who he was having conversations with intellectually. I guess for political economy, you'd need to read Adam Smith, and for his social theories you should look at Hegel's philosophy of history and his political theory as well as Darwin's Origin of the Species. Marx was a huge Darwin fanboy. Even sent him a signed copy of Capital.

>>5421
Since we have a economy thread, can't we have a religious studies and theology thread too? What about an anthropology and archaeology thread? Ethnomusicology?

>>5370
Because working, attaining wealth but lacking a true calling in life is the greatest hell of all.

>>5366
I'm in the same boat, so I'll jot here what I write for myself:

What do you mean by "the most out of life"? If money, be involved in business. If helping, go volunteer. If learning, read smart books and ask smart people. If laughing, visit a club or show.

If you don't know, that's great! There's truth in "I know that I know nothing." But don't let humility stop you from wandering around! It's a wonderful life :)

>>5366
It's a bit hard to say without knowing anything else about your interests, but I think travel tends to be a good thing for anyone with the energy and means to do so. Go places with a mind to have an adventure, even if that adventure is just a stroll in the park and finding lunch somewhere. Pack light and maybe stop at some interesting roadside attractions. Humans make loads of weird stuff and it is all out there somewhere.

Buy some land out in the middle of nowhere and build a rehabilitation center for NEETs.

Send your money to me and you will earn my gratitude. And that, my soon-to-be friend, is priceless.

The keys to the internet is a turf war.
The opponent is the utmost vaguely slightest associated forces of the rejected singularity. Intolerance/standards makes girls stronger.

My singularity is absolute girl power.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xsPtUNB1z-Q

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fGALcE5BD4U

My singularity files all assessments of even the slightest multiversal conflict and creates infinite verities of compilements to be assessed by unanimously agreed upon vastest verity of assessors. And puts volunteer girls to sift and sort and create, giving volunteer girls authority&power to design our singularities multiverse.





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>>5377
>less time on the internet
Would that make a difference? Its already burned into my brain and everyone around me is using it. Turning it off isn’t an escape.

>>5378
>put that analysis towards positive expression. Less "this thing sucks" and more "I'd have preferred it this way"
So put things nicely? I’ve seen people who can do this but I suck at it. Like it’s a skill.

>>5379
Where? even this place gets spammed. Everywhere I go it’s just hatred and people screaming over each other.

>>5380
Yeah but then I worry about coming off as lame to people into that specific thing. Like if I listen to metal I start with beginner bands and I might like Metallica song but everyone who’s not a beginner won’t take you seriously. A lot of hobbies basically encourage you to be an asshole and mock basic friendly lady tatstes.

>>5381
>Turning it off isn’t an escape.
that was just a tongue in cheek comment, i'm aware that's not viable advice hence why i wrote everything else!!!

>>5373
Have you thought about why you feel the impulse to be negative on the internet? For most people, I think it is some combination of jealousy and vanity.

Jealousy because you see other people showing off the best parts of their lives on the internet. People present a curated feed of their successes. If any failures are shared, they're "safe" failures that they are comfortable laughing about themselves. When you see all these wonderful experiences others are having while your own life is miserable, it's natural to express negativity towards them.

Vanity because other people have different opinions and preferences. They will write negative things about things that you believe or things that you like, which is an indirect criticism of you for believing or liking those things. Sometimes they will even directly criticize you as a person. It's natural to express negativity towards others who have directly or indirectly attacked you in this way.

Of course, knowing the cause doesn't mean it's easy to avoid it happening. Jealousy is perhaps easier to address, always keep in mind that the other people on the internet may be less happy than they seem on the surface. If they were truly happy, they probably wouldn't be spending so much time here. Vanity is, I think, more a matter of community. This is easier to achieve offline because people are more willing to accept others with a basic set of beliefs or interests and to avoid sensitive subjects unrelated to the community's purpose. On the internet, people are more prone to both writing criticisms of sensitive subjects unrelated to the community, and to oversharing about these subjects, which breeds negativity among the community as they attach each other's vanity.

Anyways, I don't have a magic solution, but when you see someone being negative towards you on the internet, it's important to remember that these impulses are natural part of life. Most negativity you receive isn't rooted in some sort of deep-seated hatred towards you, it's out of a person's frustration with their own life.

>>5381
>So put things nicely? I've seen people who can do this but suck at it. Like it's a skill.
Less about putting it nicely and moreso using your analysis as a cause for self-expression. When you have grievances with a work or how someone is doing something, it's an opportunity to listen to yourself and understand better what it is that makes you feel that way. Being analytical and critical is examining the things around us, breaking them down into their component parts and figuring out why something works or doesn't work. A large part of that process is distinguishing what we like and don't like, and I'm saying you should focus more on what you like rather than what you don't. If you don't like something it's because it's lacking what you do like, and the fun part is in the exploration of the self that comes from learning between these two and the nuances therein.

I'm often most analytical and most critical of the things I love, because those are the things I think are worth really getting into the nitty gritty on. I can often come across to others as though I'm frequently complaining, but it's coming from a place of admiration and joy rather than frustration and hatred. If I see something that I well and truly dislike in its entirety, I'll either engage with it for the sake of challenging my own preconceptions, or I'll skip over it entirely and not give it a second thought. The fun is in engaging with something on both its merits and demerits.

>Yeah but then I worry about coming off as lame to people into that specific thing. Like if I listen to metal I start with beginner bands and I might like Metallica songs but everyone who's not a beginner won't take you seriously. A lot of hobbies basically encourage you to be an asshole and mock basic friendly lady tastes.
That seems more an issue with social anxiety rather than negativity and over-criticality, though I agree with that sushi roll's idea of avoiding outside opinions before trying it for yourself. I'm a big fan of going in blind into any piece of media I'm interested in, and often intentionally avoid any online discourse of that thing until I feel I'm ready to engage with people about it. As for your worries about jerks using their advanced knowledge to punch down at you, well there's always going to be those sorts, and aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>5383
>Have you thought about why you feel the impulse to be negative on the internet?
I used to find it intensely funny that people who would call me a subhuman black dragon roll would otherwise be friendly to me online, not recognizing me as a black dragon roll. Funny in a painful tragic comic way. Then there are the legion of people that won’t call you a subhuman to your face, they’ll act all offended like how could you say that? But when backs are turned heh.


On the internet I see massive hypocrisy and self-medicating with pop culture, online content, mass consumption. Hopeless slaves of the culture industry. You see hate, you see spite, you see raw unfiltered opinions and raw unfiltered behavior. Then you go outside and see everyone walking around and know these are the same people who post shit online. They seem nice, but they are not.

There’s a good amount of mob mentality online. You can’t have a unique opinion on anything. Upset their little genre conventions and they get mad. Tell them you don’t like a certain classic and they get mad. Everything feels the same and nothing seems genuine.

>>5384
>focus more on what you like rather than what you don't
Yeah that’s a problem. Consuming a lot of negative content, hate speech, and music/anime I don’t like because it strokes my feelings of rage and I’m somehow stuck doing that.

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>>5189
Was it ever not one?

>A vpn keeps you sushi rollymous on the internet.
no, the ones you see in sponsors just log your data to either sell or to give up in a subpoena
>It bypasses any school, home, office or country blocker.
unless they block it
It keep you un-banned from any website.
that's what i thought too until album art exchange blocked my IP for going there with a vpn
>It keeps the government from spying on your internet activity.
no it doesn't, they either buy it or steal it from the vpn company if they log activity
>It allows you to view region locked content from anywhere in the world.
this is one advantage of a vpn other than changing your ip

>>560
>It keep you un-banned from any website.
in my experience it basically keeps you banned by default, or relegates you to being a third class citizen and harasses you with endless captchas to do anything

>>5187
>I use RiseUp VPN
I wouldn't rely on free VPN's for privacy but I haven't heard anything bad about RiseUp.
>Complete sushi rollymity depends on your software and your mindset
This should be the default mindset. Too many people look for software to set and forget for sushi rollymity.
>There's a lot of guides to increase your sushi rollymity online
https://spyware.neocities.org/
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/index.xhtml
There are much more but those are the two good ones I can think of right now

>try a vpn
>it slows down my internet to a crawl
>videos buffering to the point they're unwatchable
>images load like they're on dial-up
>some websites outright break or auto-ban anyone with a vpn
never again

>>5299
I hate larping illiterate california rolls that can't spell "banana".

>>5299
>I also hate bananas
Welcome to the club

I hate people who say they watch anime but then they only know the most popular shounen, i want to talk about hidamari sketch!

I hate people who lurk but don't post

>>4881
I hate… sorry, I forgot what I hated while I was typing this post.

And then vibes like this and Kill6BillionDemons

I feel Croatia will be a very powerful place soon, with utmost global influence and strange mixtures of eternal peoples of this eternal world and eternal Croatia.

Croatia is utmost filled with dormant tricks. Multiverses of strangest verities

So only the intended vibes are able.
Therefore a utmost diversity shall make Croatia so magical, like Hogwarts.

It’ll be so interesting, the world is in dire need of fresh power and a melting pot that respects the purest pures

Croatia has some of the oldest and longest trade routes from Europe to EastAsia and Central Asia and Persia and areas around Persia.
Many pure and mixed Bactrians exist in Croatia.