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Welp, everybody's claiming First in all the other boards and I don't want to be left behind. Thankfully the nerd board is still avaiblable.
What are you girls working on?
Me: chip-8 VM in ruby
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This sushi roll is correct. With a help desk job you still have to deal with people but it's nowhere near the same level as a call centre job, especially if you work for a small company.


Ok, I was confused. In my language, the English term "help desk" is also used for call center tech support.

University help desks can be pretty comfy.


i'm making a game in bash


Please, share


i will when it's finished.

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People would take open source software more seriously if Stallman took better care of himself. He looks like a stereotypical neckbeard, which doesn't help the image of free software.
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I used to use a Linux distro as a daily driver OS, back when I was young and didn't use a computer for work or college. But now that I'm older, and do a lot more stuff on my computer, there is a massive gap in support for commercial software in Windows and macOS (similarly well-supported) and GNU/Linux (practically non-existent).

If your requirements are pretty basic, GNU/Linux seems fine for a desktop OS.

But you can't use a lot of industry-standard tools for it. The problem is that a lot of people who don't use these things think the FOSS equivalents are "good enough" even though that's not the case.

GIMP really isn't as good as Photoshop. LibreOffice is quirky sometimes, and that can be an issue when you work with people who all use Microsoft Office 365. Outlook is standard as an office email client, Thunderbird isn't that great.

IF all you do is web-based stuff, you won't notice a difference. But try using GNU/Linux for creative work, programming, or office job stuff, and you'll notice all the flaws. There are a lot of what I'd call "spinoff apps" in GNU/Linux desktop OS repos, and although they might look relatively decent, most really aren't.

People don't use an OS for the OS itself. They use an OS so they can run software in it. Nobody cares about bits and bytes and window managers. People care about getting a project done before a deadline, using tools that enhance their workflow, stability, actual customer support (forums and image boards don't count), etc. As Steve Ballmer once said, "developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers." 3rd party development is what really makes or breaks an OS. The software ecosystem around an OS is really important.

Linux is continuing to prove itself useful for embedded and IoT scenarios, and will always be the best choice for servers, but GNU/Linux is less and less relevant for desktop stuff.

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>The problem is that a lot of people who don't use these things think the FOSS equivalents are "good enough" even though that's not the case.

I can kinda relate to this, I remember a discussion where I was told that I should use emulators for gaming on Linux or "get a console" when I pointed out how poor PC gaming is on Linux. So, actually, I completely understand what you mean even though I don't use any sort of industry standard software.

And, actually, it's kinda silly, but I use Windows as well not just for gaming but sometimes I find the tools for creating Linux bootable drives way better. Again, even though I'd love to see more people with basic needs use Linux on their laptops and desktops, even I use different OSes for different tasks.

I guess the only other issue with FOSS is the immature "Wangblows" and "Botnet 10" buzzwording. I don't know how to talk with people like that since the debate never goes anywhere.


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>Outlook is standard as an office email client, Thunderbird isn't that great.
On the free software side, I've settled on Evolution. I could never enjoy thunderbird or claws/sylpheed, and I don't know if it can replace Outlook for businesses, but I think it is a decent alternative for someone like me that was perfectly happy with Apple's Mail.app.

But as you say, my requirements are basic (outside of virtual machines).

But all you need is Quake :3


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> But try using GNU/Linux for creative work
This is merely a personal thing, but the times when I used open source stuff for creative work, I had no problem working with it. Krita is already well known and loved, but personally I largely stuck with doing stuff in MyPaint and Inkscape after I decided to stop pirating Adobe stuff. GIMP is pretty clunky, and Inkscape posed some issue initially too, but I could still work well with the tools I had.

It's likely I'm not quite advanced enough to need the Adobe tools. On the other hand, David Revoy exists.


Yeah, I have to agree. I don't really find there is much difference at the low level between modern popular open source software, and closed source enterprise software. Ten years ago there were pretty big differences, but today the only real differences I notice tend to be in the UI department, and in how the software corporations get to dictate how people relate to software in general. Like people say how clunky open source is, but I think that's mainly because their baseline has been set based on whatever software they use at work. As someone who hasn't really used commercial software outside of when it's absolutely necessary (for work comparability and stuff), I find that often times the commercial stuff is just as clunky and poorly designed, but people just take that for granted. It being "intuitive" or better is just a function of being more exposed to it.

I mean, of course it is true that companies like adobe cater to industries creating tools and tweeks for specific clients and such, that isn't really gonna happen in an open source community driven product, but I don't think those are nearly as useful to users as they are to firms with specific market goals. I've always got the feeling that when most people say "open source software is inadequate" they really mean "I do not want to learn a whole new system when I already know this one inside and out". It's fine to prefer a polished commercial system that you know, but I don't think it's fair that FOSS gets a bad rap because of that.

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Whenever I try to teach my dad about new tech, he will try to make some convoluted analogy comparing it to other things he is familiar with. I say no, it's not like that at all, don't make these inaccurate and confusing comparisons.

But maybe it's hard for old people to learn new things, especially new tech, because they have so many memories, and their brains have made certain neural pathways and have decreased neuroplasticity, so it's hard for them to just think of new things on their own and not comparing them to lots of other things they are already familiar with.

Sometimes I make this learning mistake, but sometimes it's easier just to learn something without trying to think of how it relates to other things. Whether it's a new programming paradigm, a new programming language, new app, new API, etc there isn't always a direct comparison to something else.

Thoughts? What have your experiences been like when you learn new tech?


Depends on the analogies. It seems fine to me that someone compare some new concept to something they already is familiar with. The most important thing is that they learn.

I myself like to simplify, like when people talk about cloud stuff like azure and their "apps", and all I see is a virtual machine running on hardware you don't own or manage yourself. I often get strong resistance from such people when I simplify like that. Usually I just see a new spin on old technology. The worst ones strongly disagree with what I said, then change a few words and repeat back to me what I just said. Maybe they think I'm dismissing their new stuff as unimportant, which isn't the case at all.

I often have a hard time learning from documentation and guides that just list out all the commands you need to run to get your desired result. I need to learn why you must run those commands, and I want the explanation in plain english. I think Gentoo and FreeBSD are good about such things, and is something I try hard to live up to when I have to teach something to some new user.


This is how everyone learns; the human brain is always trying to contextualise new knowledge in relation to old. We begin with fuzzy representaions that may be wrong in many areas, but provide enough information to engage with that object. The next crucial stage is coming to realise, through use, the ways in which computer is not actually like a car and needs a set of symbols of its own.

Don't be hard on your dad just because he didn't grow up with modern technology like you did. I have no doubt that there are concepts out there that you understand in terms of how they're simmilar to computers.

It's the classic mistake of describing all the details of [i]what[/i] something is, when most of the time a user actually wants to know [i]how[/i] it should be used. The OpenBSD man pages are generally excellent at providing practical examples; I frequently check them, even when working on Gnu/Linux.


Azure and AWS are more than just VMs. Containers and container orchestrators (and microservices architecture you can create with it) is very different from traditional hypervisors and VMs in the sense of scalability, and creating/destroying containers really quickly on an as-needed basis ("elasticity"). There's also caching, lots of APIs you won't get with a basic hypervisor, and the fact that many places are looking to hire people with these specific skills. And, of course, the issue of not having to build a data center to have at-scale resources.

A reductionist approach to it isn't going to make anyone think you're smart just because you're vaguely familiar with something you think is the same even when it's really not.

Documentation is important, but you're right, a lot of documentation is hard to follow. I think part of that is because experiential learning is best. It's hard to get an idea of how to use something based on a man page, but doing on online course, or an in-person workshop at a hackathon is wonderful for learning. These days, I actually prefer watching Youtube tutorials over reading documentation, with the one exception being the Oracle API documentation, which is really good, even if you're not a fan of Java.

But I also think a lot of boomers in tech take pride in the fact that there is a barrier to entry, and they kind of enjoy that some things are difficult to learn, even if it's only because documentation and community resources are poor. They want that elitist mentality instead of making things easier to use.

A program being hard to use is an example of bad UX, which is the fault of the developer. But a lot of "1337" people think something being hard to use makes it better. I do a lot of frontend development and if the user can't figure out how to use it, that's your problem, not theirs.


>A reductionist approach to it isn't going to make anyone think you're smart just because you're vaguely familiar with something you think is the same even when it's really not.

Someone that sees the nuts and bolts aren't trying to sound smart. They just see the simple construct the bigger house is really made of. A lot of people see the big house and think they can't ever fix that on their own, others just see the broken bolt and replace that.

Yes there are APIs, and yes it is scalable, and reduces the need for a business to run their own data center, but it is still very much just a bunch of virtual machines. You're renting a machine preinstalled with MSSQL, or maybe another with some other service (or no services). A lot of cloud providers that just present their stuff as KVM-based virtual machines also have APIs for developers and admins.

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Crypto thread? Personally I think crypto is the future. No more centralization, no more states fucking you in the ass.
I also don't want to become a wage slave so I hope to make it thanks to crypto. Life is too short to not do what you like.
What cryptocurrencies have you invested in sushinons? What are you bullish on?
It would be cool that we all make it.

Personally I am extremely bullish on Bitbay. I missed the Ethereum train but I think Bitbay will be the next moon mission in 2018. It is the sole working decentralized marketplace and trustless contracting platform while fixing many BTC flaws and planning to have a decentralized peg that brings price stability by preventing volatility, especially from whales shady manipulation. The price is still fucking low (23m market cap) so there is a lot of growth potential. For instance, to have a x2 ROIs with ETH, it would need 30 fucking billions of dollars, while with bitbay it would only need 23m. It is far more likely in the latter for this very reason.
Pics related why I am bullish on it. It has both mainstream and darknet potential.
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I wish I'd had bitcoins before the recent forks – I could have doubled my money, twice. Extra money for investing is hard to keep on hand.

The other currencies that interest me currently are Ethereum and Monero. Monero seems like it is starting to pick up use within the Darknet, and if this illicit popularity takes off then I think its value could balloon suddenly like Bitcoin did years ago.


Let me warm you too that Ethereum is a ticking bomb. It uses PoW like Bitcoin so it has the same problems than it (extremely slow tx processing, centralized by mining mafias and enormous waste of energy/ressources = is not viable). The worst of the worst is that it is fucking bloated to death.
Look: https://etherscan.io/chart/chaindatasizefull
Right now a full node is fucking 350gb and its growth rate keeps getting faster.
This will lead to two options: either it will crash at some point, or either it will get centralized. Also most of its token is vaporware that is not used.

Also Monero is PoW so it has the same problems of it too. Most importantly, privacy tech only interest a few. Normies do not care about it.


>PoW is a waste of electricity
I disagree. The amount of energy used by traditional banking infrastructure is far greater. If PoW-based currencies become more popular, its energy use will probably be the same as the traditional banking system. Lower for Monero's PoW because it is memory/cache bound.


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Monero is based ok?
No, seriously, I think it's the comfiest cryptocurrency.


I sometimes think about doing it but the tutorials I find never really go into depth about it and then I forget about it afterwards. i should probably do something about it soon.

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Post a screenshot of your current cool/cute wallpaper! Both desktop and phone caps are ok!

I'll start with some vaporwave vibes.
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The game itself. I've also got Zork, as you can see, and K-On Desktop Buddies. Thank you for the wallpaper!


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2 new homescreens later, I've been working on this one. I'm still not too sure about colours and positioning yet, but it usually takes me a while to tweak everything to satisfaction


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Resurrecting this thread out of the .tokyo archives. Any sushi rolls here own a VR headset? Any rolls just curious about them? What games/experiences are you trying these days? Any small projects that you would recommend trying?

The last thread was made just as the two main PC headsets (Oculus Rift and Vive) were coming out in 2016. In the two years since, we've seen slow but constant growth in both headset sales and the number of available games. In addition, the lineup of Windows Mixed Reality headsets is making room-scale VR with hand tracking more affordable than ever. Beat Saber is helping to push VR to arcades across the country and I really hope this is the time when VR makes it to the mainstream.


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"VR" headsets still kind of suck based on what I've tried. I'm waiting a few more generations till we get 8k resolutions at least, plus things like millimeter wave antennae built in for high bandwidth wireless. The SLAM they use could be updated as well, probably would make sense to use something like solid state lidar for that compared to the finicky webcam tracking systems they currently use.

Also, if this isn't too off topic, is anyone here interested in AR headsets as well as VR headsets? Magic leap recently finally started shipping their devkits, and while it's not anywhere near as good as the hype, it's a step up from the hololens in terms of FOV. Another generation or two of increased FOV and lighter weight and I could almost imagine using something like this to replace my phone.


I tried a VR headset once at a local convention five or so years ago but I got motion sickness from it.


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I have a rift and right now I've been playing a bunch of Vox Machinae and Pavlov. I got this thing back in January and I really enjoy all the games I got for this thing, even emulating some older gamecube games using it feels refreshing. As for my recommendations, Vox and Pavlov are both great if a little arcadey, Onward is an excelent milsim, Beatsaber with mods is a treat and will help you get your vr legs.

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Let's talk coding and software, sushis, because I don't do enough of it and I really should. Let's hear about projects you're working on, stuff your coding, learning. Trade secrets, info, tips, whatever. Programming isn't something that should be done alone in a corner.

I guess if we need a thread starter, I want to brush up on my coding skills. I want to find something to play around with, something not as mainstream as the stuff like Java and C, but will still be useful in a professional setting, something I can make usable stuff out of.
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You don't know how happy that makes me. Thank you for saying so, sushi. Unfortunately you cannot expect new music for a while because I work on it quite slowly, so maybe check back into unraed.uk in a year or so.

(Saging because off-topic, btw)


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I'm working on a Jekyll theme.

Here is a minimal [code]_config.yml[/code]:

theme: adriatic
title: Hello !


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hey sushis. recently i've been looking at taisei (open source touhou clone). the graphics are surprisingly good, the soundtrack is great and the codebase seems to be really clean and organized. I don't know too much C but I'm hoping I can figure out something to do and contribute! anyone know anything about this project?

in other related news: I finished a really quick mangadex downloader in python. figured out their new api and just downloads chapters in parallel and tries to do padding so you can just `feh -r` a directory. Can post code if anyone is curious, I'm frequently without internet so I like to download most of my media.

Looks nice. I like the use of color to separate different fields.

hey, that's great! what program did you make? I think learning haskell made my code in other languages better, I try to be more pure/shorter functions and so on now.

I think a game is a really good project to start because it involves a lot (video, audio, math, concurrency) and you can easily think of ideas for new features/modes/power-ups etc. A fun one I like to suggest is the game from Tron (kind of like multiplayer snake–you grow by 1 in the direction you face each turn, if you hit another snake's body, you lose). You can even do it over the internet with websockets for extra difficulty.


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Re: Haskell vs. OCaml
If your interests are in functional programming proper then stick with Haskell. The learning curve is a steep one but if you have no other programming experience and a knack for the abstract then your fresh perspective will make it easier to grasp for a first timer I think.

I actually love (and use) ML more but the community and enthusiasm for modern FP is definitely in Haskell land.

I would also recommend a look at functional style Javascript if you just want a taste of FP, in a language that has seemingly endless educational and discussion materials.

Completely unrelated but for ages I've been using my Rust implementation of AWK (another favourite language) but now I'm wanting to radically redefine the language design itself. Sacriligeous I know. I doubt anything will come of it but I sure think about it a lot.


working on some infosec tools related to shells and botnets

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Official comfy computing thread, post comfy computer pictures. I'll start with what I have. Retro and non-retro alike are welcome!
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pic1 very expensive pricing unless that's 2012 something


it's obviously super old, those laptops have Windows XP on them


Probably not too long after Ika Musume came out. So maybe 2011?

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RIP Terry. For those of you who don't know, he was a schizophrenic programmer who wrote his own operating system from scratch. It was called TempleOS. He was known for being weird and saying funny and offensive things. He livestreamed a lot. He was banned from many different social media platforms.

At one point, he was writing software for TicketMaster machines, but his mental illness got the best of him and he had a mental breakdown and moved back in with his parents, living on disability income. He spent a decade making his operating system, but had fights with his parents and eventually became homeless. And now he's gone.

A genius like him had so much potential, if only he had gotten help for his mental health problems.


CIA black dragon rolls glow in the dark. You just run them over.



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Rest in peace, Terry.


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Man, that sucks. It's been confirmed now, still a lot of unanswered questions though. What was he doing in front of a train? He was a devout christian, can't imagine him killing himself. There was also apparently some guy who was impersonating him and stealing dontion money, I don't know much about it. I guess it doesn't matter now, RIP Terry.


Rest In Peace, Christian Soldier.


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4chan is #1 archenemy in South Korea


Arrest of a man suspected of threatening to assassinate the US ambassador to Seoul
SEOUL, July 24 (Yonhap) - A 30-year-old man posted a message on the White House website on July 8, threatening to assassinate the US ambassador to South Korea, Mark Lippert, and he was arrested by the Seoul Police Agency (SMPA), it was reported this Friday.

This message of 10 lines, considered illogical and incoherent by the police, was also posted on the American Internet portal 4chan by this man.
Mark Lippert, the ambassador of the United States in South Korea
Mark Lippert, the ambassador of the United States in South Korea
The investigation began at the request of the Embassy of the United States in Korea on July 10 and the unit in charge of Internet-related investigations had led the IP address detection operation. Seoul police arrested the man on July 14 at his home.


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