No.53
No idea what they're trying to do with .jp, or why there is a new imageboard with the same name as the one on .org. I haven't been paying attention to any of that stuff. Is the owner of .org that unlikeable?
No.54
.org, obviously.
Anyone who went to .jp is an idiot drama whore. There is no reason to fork.
An offsite community project is fine. A clone made by some salty ex-staff is not a community project and has no right to be.
If people are simply unhappy with Appleman, they should blame Kalyx for setting the board up for a switch involving such things as money. If selling the site to Appleman was a mistake, that was one made by Kalyx, not Appleman. And with 'sold', that's not something you can fix by just having everyone agree that the trade was a mistake.
Now, what actually warrants such a split? Did Appleman actually do something?
Because everyone knows Kalyx is an unstable california roll and I haven't heard any such thing coming from Appleman. And I do think Kalyx was still staff until the wipe.
Kalyx is just being childish.
>>53>kalyx sells his site>doesn't give Appleman the password for the server control panel>kalyx wipes the server>Appleman has no offsite backups>kalyx and his mods claim Appleman is the devil that destroyed years of imageboard posts and start a shitty cloneThat's about it. Kalyx sold a site, destroyed it and is now trying to gather a userbase under the name he just sold and tried to make worthless.
Personally, I don't see any reason why anyone would bother with Kalyx anymore.
No.55
.jp doesn't link here while .org does. Putting 'real lainchan' debates aside, .org is clearly the one willing to continue our affiliation.
No.56
Seen Appleman get a lot of shit for not having backups, and I really don't think it is a big deal. I don't expect any thread I post in to be around tomorrow. If a board wipes, I'll still keep lurking and posting. From what I've seen, Appleman wasn't the one that wiped the site.
And naming the new site lainchan.jp is pretty lame. Should've gone for a different name. Would've made the split taste a lot better. I'll probably keep lurking .org, and if it dies off, I don't currently think that I'll move over to .jp.
No.57
I think it's silly to create a splinter site like they did. That said, I do like the boards they put up. It's a shame .org took so long to get back up, and then didn't take the opportunity to revamp it's boards at all.
It is quite suspicious that .jp was able to get started so quickly, however. It wouldn't surprise me if the mods who did it had been planning to break away anyway.
No.58
>>57>It is quite suspicious that .jp was able to get started so quickly, however. It wouldn't surprise me if the mods who did it had been planning to break away anyway.apparently they did and kalyx is also involved
here's the list of admins and mods at .jp
Administrators
Junk
Kalyx
n1x
nildicit
ps3udonym
Seph
yuuko
Moderators
brig
Clickbait (Melancholy)
iLikeBiscuits
installgen2
megami
mewt
xen
Developers
Kohaku
prometheus
r0gu3
https://lainchan.jp/faq.phpAlso from their homepage
"why we call ourselves lainchan
Lainchan is larger than any one website. It is the inventive community of people that brought us Lainchan, Lainstream, Laintracker, Lainwiki, and Lainzine. Taking risks and creating things is part of the ethos of Lain. This endeavor is made of the same spirit.
When Kalyx sold the website to Appleman, he did not sell the community. He sold a domain name. The domain did not come with the guarantee that its staff and members would continue using the service indefinitely and unconditionally. Administrators, moderators, and developers grew weary as we watched the new manager repeatedly stumble while simultaneously denying both assistance and responsibility.
We collectively decided that we would not stand idly by and let our community wither. Creating this website is our best means of ensuring her continued growth and longevity."
No.59
So from what I understand, the only thing Appleman did "wrong" was not keep backups. Kalyx exploited that by wiping the servers for what purpose exactly? To regain the website that he just sold? To me it seems that Appleman and Kalyx have some personal drama between them and they're trying to spread it to the community.
No.60
>>58They have more staff than posts lol
No.61
>>59Kalyx is just being salty
>>60lmao
No.62
>>54The overwhelming majority of staffers from .org moved to .jp
We had issues pre-Appleman and it only got worse after the sale. The quality tanked and nothing was being done in a timely matter. Also Kalyx had nothing to do with the new lainchan.
No.63
>>62>The overwhelming majority of staffers from .org moved to .jpThey wouldn't put all that effort into the site if they didn't have reason to. I don't understand why people would suspect otherwise.
No.64
>four .jp drama threads on lainchan/q/
>all very active
>lainchan drama thread on 8ch/cyber/
And now here as well? Holy shit. Just die already lainchan.
No.67
From an email reply I sent to a .jp admin who inquired about the future of the Lainchan affiliation:
>> For now I am keeping our affiliation with .org, it being the original site whose ownership I understand was transferred legitimately. A hasty decision to change sides during a community schism is unwise and can carry greater consequences than making no action. I will continue to observe developments on both sites and let you know if my decision changes.
No.69
>>68How about this:
When you click on the lainchan link, you get a popup window that asks: "Yes, but WHICH lainchan?" And then uses the random generator to send you to lainchan.{org|jp|com|net|tokyo|gov|edu|us|guru|ninja|me}
No.70
Far out. Lainchan has never been good. Sometimes in the past there were some redeemable posts made by sushi rolls trying to make the best of the situation, but, imagine my surprise when last i checked in; to see that the post quality had gotten even worse. This new drama is classic lainchan moderation and it's disappointing to know that the sell never had a chance for the site to change for the better and is now just another footnote to kalyx's epeen adventures.
>>69This is the appropriate solution if ties with lainchan are kept.
No.71
>>70Hey, that's not nice! It was good enough it's all I used for about two years. The programming and project boards are still good. Most of what makes lainchan bad is the same people arguing about the same things in their own little corners.
>anarchists complaining about others invading (Lainchan was never anarchy central.)>others complaining about anarchists invading (Lainchan always had anarchists.)>IRC drama (Most posters aren't on the IRC.)>admin drama (Most posters can't even name all the admins.)The only threat to the programming, security, and project boards are the people who keep talking about things they don't understand.
No.72
>>70I'm with you on this one Bruder.
I've been a lainchan user almost since the beginning, but for a while now I've been wishing for it to die… out of mercy.
Right now if you look at the posts… it's beyond any hope of redemption.
No.73
Kind of a weird situation, since Lainchan certainly had an influence on this site. At least a few months after creation (early 2015), the FAQ page explicitly mentions it as an inspiration. That said, how much the userbase cared for Lainchan then and now, I couldn't say.
>>67 seems like a good approach for now. I would say that based on the actions of some staff on .jp, we might want to be more cautious about affiliating with them, but they can still eventually earn back trust.
No.74
>>54>unstable california rollheh
No.75
>>71My main point was that despite the occasional good posting going on, the rest of the site was poor and as
>>72 says: There's no hope to be had for the future of lainchan in it's current state. It's become how i imagine a reddit board to look like.
I don't know anymore, man. Maybe people just care too much about their identity to be posting sushi roll style.
No.78
It was a non-comfy move from Kalyx, but what could you expect from the likes of him, nothing new under the sun.
Appledude should get its algae together and roll himself into a more serious position.
In my opinion they should start anew with fewer boards that focus in quality content considering that their userbase is reduced because of the new imageboard.
I wish appledude and its colleagues the best, and I hope he'd be more wary in the future.
.jp you stink!!!
No.79
I tested both parties, and while .jp's staff may have more staffing experience, I feel that .org's staff is comprised of more reasonable/comfier people. We will continue to affiliate with .org as our offer to affiliate with .jp was revoked by them.
No.80
>>79>.org>comfy peopleliterally what
No.81
>>80The whole split is pretty uncomfy, so I'd say .org is the comfier board.
No.82
>>52Can't I get on both? And that be okay?
No.83
>>82See
>>79>>80Comfier, not comfy.
No.84
>>79why did lainchan.jp revoke the affiliate offer?
No.85
>>52>stick to our rootsif we were doing that, then we'd affiliate with .jp. Since seisatsu made the affiliation deal with Kalyx, and not Appleman.
Gonna be honest though, OP looks like a shill.
No.86
>>81>>83.org is a politics site, and that gets uncomfy really fast. Just take a quick look at the site.
No.87
>>86It is possible I won't keep that affiliation either. JP just failed out first.
>>84I will attempt to explain this later when I'm not physically and mentally exhausted the day after a 5 day anime convention.
No.88
>>79funny lewd.sx had the complete opposite experience.
>https://lewd.sx/t/clickbait-melancholy-should-be-ashamed-of-himself?pid=68880#pid68880i dont think either site is as comfy as here, but at least lainchan.jp has higher quality content than the older site. i cant even look at /mega/ anymore. seems like all the shitposters stayed with .org.
also i dont know why we're proud to have had our affiliation purchased. we never affiliated with appleman1234. i say we just drop it. makes us look trashy.
No.89
>>78>In my opinion they should start anew with fewer boards that focus in quality content considering that their userbase is reduced because of the new imageboard.you're describing lainchan.jp
No.90
I really don't care.
No.91
>>62>The overwhelming majority of staffers from .org moved to .jpWhat support is there for this? The only people who are staff on .jp and were active staff on .org are Seph, Nildicit (admins on .org), and Junk (global mod). Potato-chan and installgen2 were mods, or so they said on lainchan irc way back when, but then they disappeared and Junk said that no one had heard from them.
It was not the overwhelming majority, it was about half, two of whom were close friends of kalyx and were brought on for that reason (Nildict, and Seph, sorta).
Yuuko is not listed as he's still a part of both sites, somehow.
No.92
>>91still seems to be in better hands
No.93
>>91And what happened with DarkEngine? Is he still with the .org staff?
No.94
>>93i think he went to jp
No.95
Alright, let's hear arguments for and against keeping our affiliation with .org.
No.96
>>95You shouldn't support 'org' by keeping the affiliation because you're buying into the 'org'/'jp' drama and it doesn't help your own board at all.
You should support 'org' because they haven't done anything bad. All this drama is from 'jp'. The 'jp' administration has acted in bad faith with no regard for the people who actually use lainchan. The 'jp' mods used access to 'org' to make the board links point to their own website. The original owner of 'org', Kaylx, deleted 'org's content with old credentials after selling the website to the current owner. Kaylx is now part of the 'jp' administration. Most importantly, the 'jp' website uses the exact same name as 'org'. Instead of creating a new website with a different name, they have forced every discussion of 'lainchan' to require context that will inevitably bring up the schism. They've forced a fight over who's the "real" lainchan, which is why discussions like this exist despite the fact that 'org' and 'jp' are two different websites and there shouldn't even be a need to pick one over the other. The 'jp' administration has deliberately gone out of the way to create drama at the expense of posters. Punishing 'org' for that doesn't make sense.
I have trouble understanding how anyone could be in support of 'jp'. Supposedly the current owner of 'org' was being a jerk in IRC, but most posters don't idle in IRC and wouldn't know. I doubt most people in the IRC channel post on lainchan very often either.
Anyway, that's my two cents. I am from 'org' in case it wasn't clear enough.
No.99
>>88>>98Kalyx made a deal with Itamae.
The people dealing with this now are Appleman and Seisatsu.
If you think the deal should've been revoked because Lainchan's administration changed, you should've been here when Sushichan's did. Else I'm just going to assume you're here to push your views on Lainchan drama rather than on the affiliate links version of Theseus' ship.
.org still has a suchichan link up. We still have a lainchan link up.
>>96>You shouldn't support 'org' by keeping the affiliation because you're buying into the 'org'/'jp' drama and it doesn't help your own board at all.Most legitimate reason not to link to .org, and also applies to .jp.
They should've just picked a different name to start .jp with.
No.101
>>95Reasons in support of "changing" our affiliation to lainchan.jp:
a) our affiliation was originally made with Kalyx who has endorsed the new site
b) our affiliation cannot be purchased (unless we are sleazy about it)
c) the reasons for the split are valid and can be read on their /q/ threads
d) most of the lainchan.org staff went to lainchan.jp
e) the content on lainchan.jp is of higher quality
f) activity on lainchan.org is shrinking
g) activity on lainchan.jp is growing
Reasons in support of "keeping" our affiliation with lainchan.org:
a) stronger affiliate from shear numbers perspective
b) perhaps the easier route if you're afraid of drama
At the end of the day I don't see this as "changing" our affiliation. I see it as the logical consequence of recent events. Also I don't think either side should be allowed to astroturf support here. The reasons for "keeping" or "changing" our affiliation should be evaluated on their own merit.
No.102
I don't think it matters who owns .org, or where the staff went. The owner and staff isn't the community. The users are. The affiliation should follow the users.
I don't know which site is where the community is tho. Been a while since I've enjoyed going to lainchan tbh. Never liked how .org was moderated, and seeing how the staff moved to .jp, I probably won't like the moderation on .jp either. And the current .org reminds me too much of a slower 4chan /g/, which is not a good thing. I feel .org lost its unique feel.
That we're not stuck with two boards with the same name is pretty lame.
No.103
The issue with affiliating with .jp is that they no longer want to affiliate with us. They withdrew the offer. The users went there and the staff went there but they're kinda dicks. So, maybe we just shouldn't affiliate with either? Both places may have leftover toxicity from this whole deal.
No.104
>>103Did they say why they changed their mind? Also I know lainchan.jp is the smaller site, but there is basically zero drama there. I think that would be a testament to better moderation.
No.105
>>96you're neglecting to mention the staff who outright left .org because they didn't like being a part of lainchan anymore. By my counts it's 2 others following the sale and several when kalyx was juggling finding a home and employment, and running lainchan. Also, the designated mod of /layer/, who develops the desudesutalk plugin quit after the deletion.
you're also making it sound like kalyx deleted the boards to promote jp. he didn't. jp was started independently by seph, Junk, and a couple of lainchan users after conversations between them arising from the site deletion. Kalyx joined afterwards after expressing uncertainty on twitter, but then made a decision after listening to both sides and a 5-hour meeting in mumble.
also like, users really don't have to pick one over the other. they can post on both if they want to (although I prefer not to post on org, the quality has gone down too much to have a worthwhile discussion). The only people who have to choose are affiliates and staff members.
>>95People left .org because Appleman hosted every service on one platform and slowly killed them off by mismanagement, before they were eventually deleted by Kalyx. For instance, I've heard that Appleman wouldn't allow people to use the stream unless they participated in an hour-long interview with him about why they want to use it.
There's also the matter that Appleman didn't take offsite backups so he had to rebuild everything from scratch. Because he didn't commit significant portions of the site's code to git (meaning it also isn't open-source), he had to rewrite that as well.
After bringing the site back, he didn't make any new boards except /q/ at first, and actually threatened to fire seph after she added /r/. There's still several boards he never brought back, opting instead to create "overboards" which are basically just aggregates of individual, highly specific boards like /mega/. I should add those overboards were based on boards lainchan.jp created on their first day of existence. I think he did this because .org now has a policy of not creating boards for general topics.
Aside from the infrastructural issues, Appleman was also shown to be a poor manager of the site in general, focusing time and resources into developing an IRC network, and threatening to delete the entire site due to IRC drama.
I've seen efforts to bring some of the lost services back, but IIRC they're still hosted on the same VPS, which only has a mumble server, IRC network and the imageboard itself. lainchan.jp proved to move faster when it came to bringing back deleted boards and services, as well as developing new services such as an archive of all the content that was lost when kalyx wiped the site.
So that's everything I can think of for now. As stated earlier I am a user on lainchan.jp but I thought I could give an accurate account of exactly what happened and what the complaints are. I hope it helps you make the right decision.
No.106
>>105>After bringing the site back, he didn't make any new boards except /q/ at first, and actually threatened to fire seph after she added /r/.Don't forget that his very first action after buying the site was to remove all of the boards. Only after massive protests in IRC did he restore them.
He's also locked down the IRC on several occasions and even threatened to delete the website because two people were having a fight in the chat.
He is totally unfit to run the site. It's no wonder he could only get involved by buying it. See the attached image.
No.107
>>104>Did they say why they changed their mind?Probably because the offer expired. We took too long. Lewd.sx changed their affiliation right after Lainchan.jp was made.
Also it kind of feels weird that we link to Lewd.sx when they link to Lainchan.jp. It seems inconsistent.
No.108
>>106Yeah and he only put the boards and the boar list back after kalyx came in and flipped shit publically to force him to listen to the users.
No.109
I am kind of leaning towards distancing us from this hot mess until it cools down. Might drop all lainchan related affiliations.
No.110
>>109What mess though? I honestly don't see it and I don't mean that sarcastically. Unless there is something going on behind the scenes of which I am unaware. Things seem pretty calm on lainchan.jp at least.
No.111
>>70>>71>>72>>73alas this is the whole point of jp. to save lainchan from the shit it has become.
No.112
>>109dude can you make a decision. you cant because you aren't that involved obviously. just admit that. jp canceled their offer because you're indecisive as fuck.
decide.
No.113
>>109I don't see what the big deal is. Why are we having all of this fuss over a link? Just change it already.
No.114
>>109Yeah, drop all the links.
I know most users here came from lainchan but by now I'm sure we can stand on our own.
Both the lainchan and the sushichan who made the deal are now gone anyways.
You might've not caught wind of it originally, but sushichan has always harbored a kind of distaste towards lainchan and especially kalyx. I remember back in the summer of 2015 when I first saw kalyx drop out of the irc channel, entirely planning to fish for opinions I said
>huh, kalyx leftAnd the response I got, since back then you did get responses,
>not a big fan of him, reallyOur relationship was always like that.
No.115
>>112That someone is indecisive is no reason to cancel an offer. Just leave it open and ask them to come back when they can decide.
I think the decision was made by .jp when they canceled their offer.
No.116
>>115What I don't understand is why we should care what is going on behind the scenes. Look at lainchan.org. Look at lainchan.jp. Judge the sites on their own merit. Make a decision. It isn't that hard.
No.117
>>116If it was just a matter of which site was better, it would have already been decided.
No.120
>>118The hot mess is in this thread.
And it's here because we're supposed to have a link to lainchan and now there are two of those.
What is the actual literal factual issue here is that lainchan.jp started using a name that doesn't really belong to them. Things would've gone smoothly had the ex-staff used a different name, but now there's fighting over the 'real' lainchan, whether it's about staff or domain or whateverthefuck have you.
This thread is about which site to affiliate with. .jp already rejected us, but this thread is still full of '.jp is better post there' trash, that's all sort of beside the point by now.
And given that trash here I can very well understand Seisatsu's desire to wash his hands from this stuff.
No.121
>>120This thread is about which site to affiliate with. .jp already rejected us
That doesn't make sense. Seisatsu said they reached out to him first. Doesn't that mean that Seisatsu said no? If he changed his mind, he should let them know.
No.122
>>121>That doesn't make sense. Seisatsu said they reached out to him first. Doesn't that mean that Seisatsu said no? If he changed his mind, he should let them know.It could have been something else.
No.123
>>109I understand this sentiment, yet I think we really should stay with .org
.jp users, and what's worse, staff, have constantly posted both on .org and probably in this thread as well, seeing how much support there is for jp as compared to their userbase. if you want proof for the staff posting on .org, this weekend kalyx finally got outed for posting on .org here:
https://lainchan.org/q/res/1866.html#3490seeing as they did that, I do believe that it's not above them to constantly post here as well. let's not make lainchan.org the victim of an atmosphere that was ruined by .jp
No.124
>>123>probably in this thread as well, seeing how much support there is for jp as compared to their userbase.>>101>Also I don't think either side should be allowed to astroturf support here. The reasons for "keeping" or "changing" our affiliation should be evaluated on their own merit.Keep in mind that many here may not frequent either site and, having compared the two sites with fresh eyes, may come to a different conclusion about them than you would expect of those loyal to either side. For example they could just look at the aesthetics of lainchan.jp or the staff list on FAQ and perceive it as a "better site" without looking at the actual content.
No.125
>>124>Keep in mind that many here may not frequent either site and, having compared the two sites with fresh eyes, may come to a different conclusion about them than you would expect of those loyal to either side.Aren't those precisely the kind of eyes you would want to have in this situation? It means less bias in my opinion. If more users here prefer lainchan.jp over lainchan.org, it doesn't matter what either of those site's users think.
No.126
>>487
That manipulative cunt
No.127
>>487
It puts a sour taste in my mouth for Sushichan to have gained many users with the help of Lainchan, only to then abandon it once it's considered convenient.
A lack of loyalty and respect like this isn't comfy at all.
No.128
I'd say drop .jp for causing this drama. Being forced to choose like this is not fun, and I'm the kind of person that is more likely to drop the person that gives me the ultimatum. .jp should never have kept the same name. They should've split off with a brand new name, then I would be more likely to respect their move, but they way they did it just seems juvenile to me.
I'm not saying that I like .org tho. I never liked how cyb people there were trying to be (like it was a fashion statement), or the far too open and obvious moderation some threads had. Open and obvious moderation can derail and ruin threads more than some crappy comment can I think. Since I hear a lot of the people that worked on .org moved to .jp, I fear the same moderation culture will be on .jp too.
To me, this affiliation wasn't worth much anyways. I came here because someone said this place had a nice atmosphere. I never really looked through the affiliate links on lainchan.
If I was forced to choose, I would choose neither.
No.129
>>128Hey bro we are adults and adults have to make hard decisions. I bet you doesn't vote either. Don't forget kalyx hated cyb and detests people who cosplay cyberpunk.
No.131
>>127>only to abandon it once it's considered convenientwe'd be hardly "abandoning" the people who affiliated with us in the first place by switching our link to jp. If anything, they probably feel abandoned that we currently link to the guy who bought their brand. why not help them out?
No.132
>>129Often the best adult decision is to distance yourself from childish squabbles. Choosing neither seems like the best option to me. Internet squabbles isn't worth taking sides over.
Who I vote for is completely unrelated to this topic.
>>130Figured someone from lainchan would've known better. Don't use your real name and address if you don't want anyone to know.
>>131I don't think they were abandoned by the the one that bought the site, but by the one that sold it. Lainchan was for sale, and it got bought.
I see no issue with linking to both. Let the users decide which one they prefer.
No.133
>>132>Often the best adult decision is to distance yourself from childish squabbles. Choosing neither seems like the best option to me. Internet squabbles isn't worth taking sides over.People who say we shouldn't affiliate with lainchan.jp because of "drama" aren't really thinking that through.
When part of a community branches off into something new, there is always drama in the beginning. It cannot be avoided. However, things already seem to be calming down.
No.134
>>133I don't think there would've been any drama if they branched off and made a new site with a new name. It seems to me like most of the reactions is about the name.
No.135
>>130Oh my god I'm sorry I didn't realize the email addresses were still attached. :< That's a rule violation too, I guess I might have to ban myself. I'll take these down for now. I hope no one here has been harassing her.
Otherwise I did not think there was anything secret about the contents of the emails, and I found them relevant and useful to the discussion here so I posted them. As Sushigirl's representative I think it's ok to reveal to Sushigirl's users the contents of any communications I had with Lainchan.jp's representative involving the issue at hand.
No.136
>>132please reread my post. I didn't say appleman abandoned them, I said leaving the OG lainchan users for the guy who bought their site would be abandoning them
No.137
>>134Nah, there absolutely would have been drama. If you don't believe that, you weren't around for nullchan, the shit that went down with /cyber/, or that other trying-to-be-cyberpunkchan. Some people will say that lainchan.jp brought this on themselves, or they had only gone a -little- too far. Those people are just looking for something to complain about.
No.138
I'm thinking that both sides made mistakes that led to this situation, and we should probably disconnect and let them figure themselves out. This whole thing seems kind of toxic and I don't think the discussion in this thread will resolve to a conclusion with a satisfyingly large majority.
No.140
>>138>I'm thinking that both sides made mistakes that led to this situation, and we should probably disconnect and let them figure themselves out.Figure out what?
>This whole thing seems kind of toxic and I don't think the discussion in this thread will resolve to a conclusion with a satisfyingly large majority.Where is this phantom toxicity?
You just don't want to have to make a hard decision. That's what administrators do. You shouldn't have signed up for the job if you couldn't.
No.141
>>140It's illusory that just because there's two choices I need to choose one or the other. Aren't you now going to recommend your favored choice while half the users in the thread are recommending the other? Otherwise, why do you want so badly for me to choose between one or the other, when choosing neither may be the healthiest choice for our community in the long term?
Your last line is a fine example of the phantom toxicity surrounding this event. People from both sides are on edge and it's spilling over into this thread. After all, it's just weeks after a major community schism. I don't want it to spill into the rest of the site. I will try to make the choice that makes everyone here the most comfy. That is Sushigirl's number one priority. Choosing neither is not avoiding a decision, it's making one.
No.142
Since there are no further arguments after three days I will go ahead and remove the affiliation.
No.143
>>139I really don't think that would be a good idea… Sushichan is small as it is, having a few more people around wouldn't be bad at all. The post quality is very high and the atmosphere unparalleled, but I'd have never found the site without the link on lainchan. Lately I've been looking for more small chans to browse, and coming up mostly empty-handed, precisely because none of them advertise at all.
So while I see why dropping the lainchan affiliation might be a good idea right now, I also think we should find another one to take its place.
No.144
>>110>Things seem pretty calm on lainchan.jp at least.That's because they are deleting posts instead of sending warnings, and because people don't bother posting on such a small chan.
>>88>funny lewd.sx had the complete opposite experience.Of course they have. It might be because Melancholy is staff at lainchan.jp. At least was from the start, and I assume he still is, they are just not claiming that for this reason.
>>137>Some people will say that lainchan.jp brought this on themselves, or they had only gone a -little- too far. Those people are just looking for something to complain about.They used their power as admins and redirected whole lainchan.org to lainchan.jp (and they claimed that they didn't do it for a few days, they didn't realize their activity was logged) and you claim they are just minor complaints about them? "We are stealing your userbase, thanks" is not really comfy.
I enjoyed it here from time to time even if it was very slow, but it's just not very comfy to turn your back on people.
No.145
>>143I did notice the link on lainchan, but it wasn't until I saw someone talk about this site and the atmosphere here that I decided to go here and see what it was all about. What got me here was word of mouth, not the affiliations. I didn't even really notice the affiliation until after I got here.
Probably not true for everyone, and there probably won't be as many new people, but I think this site will still get new users, even without the affiliation.
Offtopic: Could someone please tell me why my posts keep getting discarded? The error says my post seems automated. Are there some key words I should avoid?
No.146
>>145Gonna go ahead and second this. I don't come here because the user base is large, I come here because the user base is comfy. I hope it stays that way and I think spreading by word of mouth is a good method to that end.
Hiding this thread now, cause it's politics & unfortunate. I have other places to think about things that are unfortunate.
No.147
>>145I came from a /late/ thread under the promise of comfy. Even though late was affiliated I never noticed until someone mentioned this place.
Word of mouth is inefficient but also one of the best filters.
No.148
>>142the right move, probably. the ".org" side was completely flooded with uncomfiness from larger chans, some of which was starting to spill over here, and the ".jp" side is tied up with some sort of radical politics board, so there's potential for uncomf there as well
No.149
>>138I agree with this. Getting any more involved in this whole mess can only hurt sushichan. It's a little sad, since I found this site via lainchan, but it's for the best. I'll still stop by here, sushichan really is the comfiest place I've been to.
No.151
I don't get it tho. If Kalyx sold the site, why are some people still supporting him in a way it sounds like he was coerced into selling the site?
This whole thing really is confusing to me, but I never visited lainchan that much anyway.
Polite sage because the matter has been resolved
No.152
Didn't know about all this drama, this stinks. I just want to enjoy some comfy little imageboards.
No.153
>>151What Happened, in 5 minutes (as witnessed by an unbiased third party):
1. kalyx makes a /civ/ board. /pol/ people start migrating in. things start to get a bit messy
2. kalyx has no money and feels forced to abandon ship. acts over-quickly because prone to emotional act
bi-polar3. sells to the first person with money ($5000), somebody no one had heard of at the time (appleman1234)
4. this appleman turns out to be middle-to-high-functioning autistic. a mostly nice guy at heart, but constantly frustrating and being frustrated by people because he can't understand them / interact organically with a community. does things like spontaneously hiding all the boards until people "take him seriously"
5. meanwhile the influx from /pol/ continues at a fairly constant rate. more and more related uncomfiness
6. kalyx regrets making /civ/ and uses admin privileges to delete it. appleman reads this as a behind-his-back power grab and starts to get more paranoid. kalyx is removed from staff entirely.
7. appleman takes an "all actions must be approved by me" stance. starts postponing any decision making to an "AGM", a general community meeting thing scheduled several months in the future, with a "dress rehearsal" and other weird overly-bureaucratic things
8. several months after taking over, appleman tries to gain access to the server control panel. a password reset email is sent to kalyx, who's address is still associated with the account. kalyx decides to wipe the server contents because he can. appleman has no off-site backups, and the site is left with no boards or content.
9. appleman decides to postpone any board restoration talk until the AGM thing, which is still more than a month away. most of the staff are completely fed up at this point and either abdicate or start working another site they see as a replacement. since all the site is packed into one board, all pockets of comfiness disappear as people are confronted with the /pol/ people.
10. the new site semi-working, two remaining staff with admin positions cause links on the old site to redirect to the new site. this lasts for maybe an hour or two, but is enough to get everybody's attention. many of the people looking for comfiness who haven't entirely left yet move to the new site instead. these staff are removed from the old site, obviously.
11. drama starts to escalate on "both sides", with the /pol/ people seeing this new site as an easy target to hate and some people on the new site posting mean banners etc. the new site associates itself with a radical anarchism board, and a few people from there start to trickle in.
12. /pol/, wants it picks somebody to hate, has a hard time stopping. kalyx decides to associate with the new site and starts posting on the old site to rile them up even more. probably a few other people do as well.
13. at this point, appleman is impossibly paranoid. he starts indiscriminately deleting things, moving things, banning things, etc etc. the /pol/ people start getting upset at him for doing it. he pushes them all to a containment board and hides it from the rest of the site. he also starts witch hunt interrogating individual community members / denying his own actions / etc.
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14. Seisatsu a cute
so yeh, no recovering it at this point, basically
No.154
>>153That's a horribly biased description. I'd correct it, but I've had enough of this mess.
No.156
>>155People are just mad about some decisions of .jp (particularly the link hijacking and they taking the name "lainchan").
IMO .jp > .org because .org is a soykaffest.
No.157
Just to state the obvious, people involved with either of lainchans can and probably do post in this thread. Possibly trying to sway things in their favor.
No.158
Once I can use both sites for some weeks I'll re-evaluate my decision. Currently I'm switching antidepressants and don't trust my judgment enough to think I can really absorb the situation in both places, nor do I have much energy to do so. I had hoped for some consensus among Sushichan's users to lead my decision making but there is none. I am left to make this decision by myself.
I do think it's good anyway to wait a while longer since I suspect people from both sides are still upset. It hasn't been long enough for everyone to stop caring enough for me to choose one side without some backlash. I think whether I chose .org or .jp right now, many of our users would feel sour about it. Best to let it calm down more and then take a look at both sites once they've had time to re-establish themselves after the schism, with shifted userbases and different staff structures. Each site's true nature will become more visible with time.
>>524
I am worried about this as well. This sort of meddling should also wear off after a while.
No.159
>>158Well whatever you choose to go with I don't really care. As long as it doesn't leak out of this thread it's really a non-issue locally.
I am in contrast with others it seems quite pleased with how you're handling the whole matter. For whatever that's worth.
No.160
>>158Tbh not getting involved is the most sensible decision right now, imho.
Let's just wait until one of the factions sorts stuff out.
Threads here are going fine lately, we are still a few rolls posting but as long as the userbase isn't stagnating we don't need new blood.
No.162
>>157I just saw a post in one lainchan that got my blood boiling. Came to realize that this drama is even more harmful than it seemed at first glance.
Better to stay out of it all.
What happened in the past with kalyx and itamae is no longer valid and imo the affiliation should be revoked.
Not that I really cared and actually I found this place thanks to lainchan.
No.163
>>162You mean this, right?
https://lainchan.org/q/res/3741.htmlYeah, it's infuriating. The (new) owner of .org is making it a safehaven for pedophiles and refuses to even acknowledge the topic.
No.165
>>163>The (new) owner of .org is making it a safehaven for pedophiles and refuses to even acknowledge the topic.It's obvious that's not the case. No official statement has been made yet.
It's also obvious to me that people may be using this as a new vehicle to criticize Lainchan, but that's crazy, right?
No.166
>>165>It's also obvious to me that people may be using this as a new vehicle to criticize Lainchan, but that's crazy, right?>lainchan.jp exists>therefore all further criticism of lainchan.org is invalidAlso lainchan.jp couldn't have had lainchan.org implode any better if they tried. All of these wounds are self-inflicted. Appleman has no one to blame but himself.
No.167
>>163Wow, that is kind of disturbing. I get the whole free speech angle but it's also super risky to let those kinds of subgroups hang around your site. Looks like he won't take any action until he finishes drafting his official response. Let's see what it says.
If .org becomes a haven for all sorts of creepy shit we can never give them back the affiliation.
No.169
Even without the whole pedo thing, if you look at the whole site it's really uncomfy, not even because of politics anymore, but all the constant neverending drama and the fact that virtually nobody respects the owner.
It's best to stay out of the whole thing. The place is starting to resemble 8ch more and more each day.
No.170
>>168>>169All of this drama is on lainchan.org. Why should this affect our decision about lainchan.jp? That's like saying we can't affiliate with lainchan.org because they were originally from 4chan. Where they come doesn't matter. What they are does. And if lainchan.jp is comfy, isn't that good enough?
No.171
I'm really sorry to add to this terrible argument, but I think it's better to have no affiliation. Even if there was no direct uncomfiness from affiliating with one or the other, this unpleasant debate would just carry on. It would be nice if we could just forget about it, especially since an affiliation is not at all necessary for sushichan's well-being.
No.174
>>152I feel sorry for you comfy bros. As much as lainchan was never aiming for comfy like here it was still a pretty comfy place. Now it's a choice between a place being aggressively shilled or a place ran by the people doing the shilling and it's sad to see that this has spilled over here. Stay comfy.
No.175
>>173Seems like an odd choice, considering how adamant they seemed regarding the name.
>>171I agree that waiting this situation out seems like the most sane option. Even if I originally got here from Lainchan before the split happened, and have only ever browsed the .org one after the split.
I'm with
>>159 on this one.
No.176
>>172>I'm going out early with my little girl tomorrowI don't know how to describe my feelings reading this. Disgust, mostly, and fear despite not knowing the poster and being an adult. Lainchan has been one of my favourite places to go since I discovered it. It's not that I didn't know people like that where lurking around me there, of course there where, but the fact that the new owner sympathises with them, gives them an open platform while insidiously issuing ban warnings to lains who oppose paedophilia for posts that would not be considered rule violations in most threads. The community is mostly fantastic, but I don't think I can stay there knowing that the ruler is a defender of, and I'm growing suspicious that he is a funder of, crimes against children. I've already been rejected by the .jp community. They're not the same anyway. They should be, but they're not. I don't know what to do. Nothing has been good recently, on the internet in general. Everything I like is falling apart.
Sorry for the wall of text, tldr pedos are a shit.
No.177
>>176That line gave me the creeps too
And that video is absolutely great.
No.178
>>170I meant lainchan.org, sorry for my bad choice of words.
Lainchan.jp is pretty cool, but if Sei thinks they're uncomfy I'm not really going to insist.
No.179
>>178>Lainchan.jp is pretty cool, but if Sei thinks they're uncomfy I'm not really going to insist.They are scum and they should be treated as such, lainchan.jp that is.
No.180
>>167This was an issue on 8chan for a while too. Underground pedo sites would link to 8chan as a safe place to go talk, and for a while the pedo threads were everywhere.
>>172>child sexualityOh dear lord, it's this bad?
RIP lain.
No.181
>>178After all this pedo shit happened I gave .jp a serious shot for the first time but they have just as much drama as .org. Apparently the community is small (understandably) and that's making people doubt the validity of the whole .jp project. It definitely doesn't seem comfy when I visit.
No.182
>>181>After all this pedo shit happened I gave .jp a serious shot for the first time but they have just as much drama as .org. Where?
https://lainchan.jp/all/ No.183
>>176I don't want to discuss this topic futher considering the board we are on, but I think it's important to separate paedophilia as a sexual orientation from actual child abuse. While both are uncomfy to discuss, only one of them is illegal and harmful to the child.
Haven't run into the thread you're discussing about here and from the images posted it looks like it has taken a dangerous turn. Don't know what Appleman1234:s real stance on the issue is either. I don't think Lainchan is the worst place for discussing paedophilia though, as long as things stay on topic and the thread is carefully monitored and moderated.
No.184
>>182https://lainchan.jp/q/res/767.htmlI'm not sure if /q/ is included in /all/ by default. I've hidden /q/ on .org ages ago too, makes it pretty much drama free.
No.185
>>176What? No. I didn't want to bring this here. It's not the place and I'm sorry but I'm not the type to just sit by and let people call the guy a pedo because he bought the wrong imageboard. It's grim and it's gone all together too far. This hasn't exactly been happy fun times from the start but there's a line. Accusations like that are sticky and there's pictures of his face floating around, now wonderfully captioned with "I support pedophilia". He's not perfect, but he's not a pedo and he doesn't deserve that.
No.186
Can we just delete this thread already? We have already decided not to affiliate with lainchan.org or lainchan.jp. The drama on lainchan.org is making this place uncomfy which defeats the entire purpose of cancelling our affiliation to them. If you want to distance yourself from the dumpster fire that is that website, you ought to put the fire out here too.
No.187
>>186I was starting to think along the same lines yesterday about the whole situation. We're pretty much done here for now.
STOP THE BOAT!
