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I've been thinking about how internet has messed around with the idea of 'indie', as in counter cultural media or ideas.
Getting the money to make a decent video/song and upload it to a top 5 streaming service takes a bit of money, time, and effort. To get big on these sites also requires making videos with little prerequisite knowledge needed, so most big videos are stuck on 'Intro into…' thought levels, easy to consume, and easily appealing. By popular I don't mean 10+ million views, but simply breaking 100k. All these prerequisites are just lighter versions of what mainstream culture has to do to get popular
This leads to an interesting paradox were for something 'indie' to gain popularity online it's already jumped through so many loops it's no longer truly 'indie' in a counter cultural sense. Often something 'indie' online is the mainstream culture with a new coat of paint.
I guess it's always been like this, but the interesting part is that due to the internet the "mainstream indie" phenomena exploded. Not sure how to explain this, but the internet allowed big subgroups and ideas to spread without using mainstream media. Before for an idea to spread a big 5 station had to cover it letting everyone know about it, but now groups can grow without letting everyone know. You can have a big 10 million group all around online, but somehow still not be seen as mainstream or know by everyone. This internet subgroup of being big yet not big works with 'indie' music to create a 'limbo indie'.
Limbo indie subcultures are prone to more mainstream type people, dare I say normie. They don't care as much about the subculture beyond basic aesthetics or having something easy to use to set them apart from the masses. A massive assumption, but I could say the limbo indie has caused the rise in 'aesthetic cultures', cultures that use symbols instead of effort to achieve a personal aura. they also actively fight against taking a subculture seriously, it's ideas or putting effort into it, because to them it's just a fashion statement not a route for serous change.
All limbo indie really is is mainstream culture rapped in a light coating. it's somehow popular yet unknown. It feels like this limbo indie will take over most real indie movements and create a world were all opposition is controlled. I'm not above limbo indie though and I'm pretty sure I've contributed to it's at some point. I'm not even bitter at it at this point, but more curious to see how it pans out
Stuff that I have to do is piling up faster than I can do it and I feel like I'm gonna explode
Hello fellow sushiroll :)
Lately things have been looking up. Got accepted for an honours degree in my dream field: evolutionary biology. Only have one assignment before I complete my bachelors to be submitted next week.
I'm also getting all the parts to build a new PC. My 3070 and R5 5600x arrived a little while back and the rest of the parts are coming next week.
Stay safe out there :P
Evolutionary biology woah
That's one of the hard sciences, good job.>>9531
Counterculture has always been either niche or ironic, though. The word itself is an oxymoron; you can't have a coherent counterculture without making it its own culture.
I'm gonna be honest, I never really associated the word "indie" with counterculture (although come to think of it, phrases like "indie chicks" certainly make more sense from that perspective). Like, to me an "indie band" doesn't necessarily mean a countercultural band, it just means a band who doesn't go through the mainstream music industry to get their music out there. I do see the connection, though - after all, it wouldn't make sense for a countercultural band to go through the mainstream industry, so they're necessarily indie. On the other hand, someone who makes the same type of music as Taylor Swift but self-records and self-publishes it would be considered indie but not countercultural. Maybe the internet did separate "indie" from "counterculture," since it used to be that most indie methods of publishing art were groups with a counterculture philosophy and were actively working against the mainstream, but now because of the internet it's just plain ol' easier to post something on bandcamp or your own website or whatever than it is to try to work with a major publisher - there's not really a philosophy behind it anymore. I feel like I kinda ended up rambling a bit here.
>I could say the limbo indie has caused the rise in 'aesthetic cultures', cultures that use symbols instead of effort to achieve a personal aura. they also actively fight against taking a subculture seriously, it's ideas or putting effort into it, because to them it's just a fashion statement not a route for serous change.
I can say with absolute certainty that this is not caused by the internet, it's just always been that way. In fact, the first thing that came to mind for me when reading that was the "mall goths" of the 90s, and that predates the internet. I think that's just the life cycle of countercultures - they start, they grow, they enter the mainstream, they become fashion, they die, they get replaced by other countercultural movements that haven't yet gotten to that phase. That's just how it is and how it's always been.
>>9531>You can have a big 10 million group all around online, but somehow still not be seen as mainstream or know by everyone.>Limbo indie subcultures are prone to more mainstream type people, dare I say normie.
This is potentially true for music. But I still think there can be genuine "indie" cultures, in a loose sense of the term, which are nevertheless big on the internet.
Take the free software community. I have only ever had one IRL friend who ran Linux, knew who Richard Stallman was, etc. My other IRL friends barely understand what I'm talking about or why I would care about software freedom. Turn to the internet, however, and there are big communities where people who don't
run Linux or a BSD are a shamed minority. So I think the free software movement is in a "limbo indie" state, as you put it. But I don't see any evidence of the philosophy being watered down because of this.
Sure, there are ricers, who only care about configuring i3 so they can save up some good screenshots for /g/ desktop threads. But everyone who runs Linux still gets their freedom, and derives benefit from doing so. The movement isn't harmed by being big on the Internet. The reverse is true - more adherents means more developers, bug-reporters, volunteers, etc.
I mean at least part of the reason you go through non-mainstream industry is literally because you haven't made it big yet or because you're not professional. Self-publishing authors have the eventual goal of being picked up by Penguin or something, but they publish online to get a readerbase and such and attract editorial attention.
I just finished the schools precourse work and began doing some challenges I found online. I bought some books too (and one on shell scripting because I was feeling confident), so hopefully they prove to be useful. I barely got through highschool and that was more than half a decade ago. Community college was bad for me and so is s 9 to 5.
Dont really know what ill do if this doesnt go well for me. Im staying positive though.
Nice. It must be pretty exciting to work in evolutionary biology these days as it gets more and more integrated with genetics.
I recommend looking at Luke Smith's videos on youtube for shell (mainly bash) scripting. Less so as tutorials or for pure knowledge, but for inspiration for projects you can do. His linux videos are always about solving some problem, making a new tool, or something he came across and how to use it.
I struggled with my community college programming classes because they weren't very interesting and the projects didn't do much of anything but show that you can implement whatever was taught that week. But once I started making little utilities or scripts for myself things started to click. Having fun is important and making useful tools, however small, is a nice motivation versus just think "if I learn this I can get a better job in 2-5 years."
Nothing interesting. I was studying, I smoked some tobacco and now I don't feel so sad. I don't like Java but I guess I need to learn it..
I have a job interview in two days and I am super exicted. I hope I will like what they have to say and vice versa. I really want to work again.
Good Luck Sushi! Hope it all works out
Thanks sushi, im actually already subscribed. I like his random videos on Christianity and history too. They come out of nowhere but I find them so interesting.
Trying to focus on studying. I remember why I did bad in highschool now.
Thank you :3
Going to look up information about the company today and check out where I have to go tomorrow. Those preparations always give me some security and fight my nervousness.