No.2105
I have to deal with a lot of customers that wants everything done yesterday, for free. I don't get much time to sit down and work with the problems they want me to solve either. So I don't think my job is that enjoyable. I do enjoy solving problems, but I think I should do so on my own terms, without having to work in retail. Recently I've had several customers just stand there complaining about how horrible the service was, that he'd never buy from us again because whatever problem they had wasn't solved by us the second they showed up. Some even demand that I solve whatever issue they have on the spot, while the 5 others in line behind them wait while I figure out what's wrong with their messed up windows installations. I wish these people could be more patient and understanding. Having to wait a few days, or even weeks for someone to find time for their problem is not a big deal. Then there are the obvious creeps and pedophiles that ask creepy questions about how the workshop handles replaced HDDs. They talk as if they're afraid someone will look through the data on the HDD.
Removing login passwords and fetching files out of bad drives is fun when the people I do it for appreciate my work, but sadly, a lot of people find no value in it, yet they demand I do it for them.
I am trying to find a new job, but I have a feeling I should have to be self employed if I want to enjoy my job. Don't know how to become self employed tho, or what I'd do.
No.2111
>>2105Retail is almost always awful, but tech retail seems like a whole new low. Everyone knowing just what they want with no idea what that actually entails.
The only retail job I've ever enjoyed was selling pretty niche stuff, it's a wonderful thing to have customers that actually actually appreciate what you do.
No.2118
>>2105IT support is awful cause normal people are retards
I did it for like a month as a summer job during highschool before I couldn't take it anymore.
This one guy in retail with low morals who always found ways to cheat and con people who didn't know anything left, right and center.
I could tell he was always really proud of this and would often look to me with a face like "watch this" as he was sweet talking his victim. (tbh sometimes i was impressed)
He just accepts whatever the customer says (because the customer is always right), makes stuff up as he goes along and overcharges them on things they don't really need.
Besides that he was a really smooth talker and really great at getting people to buy things. Around 75% of the people who encountered him would purchase something in the store.
Every once and a while he would say there is a problem with the credit/debit machine persuade them to give him their cards then he would quickly capture their number with thermal paper.
Later on he just installed his own credit/debit machine without the boss watching which just grabbed all their information anyways.
Yet customers would come back time and time again not realizing they have been cheated!
No.2119
>>2118As rotten as it is, there is something impressive about real scoundrels.
No.2122
I am a contracted delivery driver for Doordash, a company/app that delivers food from any restaurant in my area. I am paid $5 commission plus tip for each delivery, and end up making about $8-12 an hour. I like that I can choose my own hours to make as much or as little as I need, and spend most of the time in my car, with minimal human interaction.
No.2124
>>2118I don't know if these customers are trying to scam me, or if they really are that stupid. Seen so much stuff that have been broken due to being mishandled by the user, but they insist they didn't do anything wrong. I can point at the spill mark, the broken off pieces, the crack in the screen, and they still deny any responsibility. But electronics stores employ a lot of scammers too, so I wonder if these stores deserves to have scammers as customers.
I'm glad I also get some very nice customers that will gladly pay the small sum i charge for recovering files from messed up drives, and even transfer licenses, software, and databases from old broken computers onto new ones. It is really nice to see the relief on someones face when I recover their project files from a HDD with a huge number of bad blocks (took several days with ddrescue).
For some reason, this job is both suffering and bliss. Just wish it was more of the latter.
No.2125
>>2122How do you feel about the zero hours/"gig" method of working?
There is a similar service in the UK called Deliveroo, and there is a campaign to force them (and similar companies) to treat the delivery people as regular employees rather than people who just sign up for odd jobs. I can understand why, but it still seems silly to me to try and change it to be more like a regular job. I like the idea of being able to clock on and do work whenever I want to or need to.
No.2274
i fucking hated my job as a dishwasher because it was little pay, my coworkers fucking sucked, i always got home at 1AM and my body smelled like literal shit. the mixture of sweat and a dozen of different foods made for an interesting fragrance.
thank lord i quit that son of a whore.
No.2288
>>2274I'm in that same shit except I also have to cook. Fortunately I get to pawn off dishes to the noobies these days.
I work in a Chinese kitchen, and my job kinda sucks cause it's super exhausting and gross, plus the hours are overtime almost every week. I'm lucky to get one day off, and one day where I can go home before midnight.
On the bright side, I make more way money than most degree holders I know(although I still want to go to school and get out of food), and the people I work with are fun to be around.
No.2295
>>2288i wouldnt mind working a hard job like that but i really had no one at work. everyone was a prick. maybe it was like that because it was a pretty, bourgeois type of restaurant. maybe if i was working with like minded people
No.2331
>>2325A sushi restaurant sounds incredibly comfy. The only real maintenance would be like cleaning the rice cookers and prepping the fish. I especially like the tiny ones in Japan. Of course sushi restaurants in the US tend to double as busy hibachi joints unfortunately.
I got my hours cut in half at the Chinese restaurant by request. Back to sane normal 40 hour week with two days off. I might survive after all.
No.2333
>>2331Glad to hear that roll.
I did the same thing, and from next week I should work 10 hours a day for 4 days a week.
Let's see how it goes.
No.2335
>>2333That's the best schedule you can have and still get paid.
No.2337
I don't like my job because the language barrier between my coworkers and I makes it really really difficult to cooperate with them. Most of them don't speak a word of English. I'm a waiter at a wedding venue, been there for 4 years but this month I'm going to start looking for a new job.
I like working Greek weddings though because I am Greek so being around the music and the people and the food makes me happy.
No.2425
i quit my currynigra job working on the hotline for UPS, i'm glad but i don't know if it was the right decision perhaps i should have gone on another month. but what's done is done
No.2427
Chinaroll here. Hate when you're supposed to have a 3 day weekend playing Zelda and riding bikes, only to get called in one night cause some stupid idiot got fired.
No.2429
I put gutted fish on a rack and pretend I'm loading a tank
No.2566
>>2427Welp, this Friday will be my last day. I got put back to working 70 hours a week and I just can’t take it anymore. I was having to take hour long smoke breaks just to deal with the stress. I have little put back until I find something else. Thinking about applying at a bubble tea place. My friend works there and loves it(she used to work at the Chinese place with me). The pay isn’t very good, but I’d rather that than deal with cooking anymore. The only issue is this place has kind of a favoritism over Asian employees(I’m white), especially young Asian girls. Oh well, worth a shot anyways. But I think I’ll take some time off and be a neet again. I don’t really need any money until school starts again in January. Bike trips, video games, and practicing music should do it for now : )
No.2570
>>2429That sounds pretty bad ass, sushi roll!
No.2588
>>2566
>bubble tea place with lots of young Asian girlsthat sounds so dope
roll I think I just died or something, hope you get the job
No.2609
>>2588Thanks sushi!
Well I went and got my last check from the job I quit. It was really good cause all the hours I put in, and they already want me back. I almost want to for the money, but they would have to negotiate with me on how much I want to work.
No.2910
what entry-level work would you rolls suggest for a long-time NEET with terrible physical ability and SAD
No.2911
>>2910SAD as in anxiety?
I used to work on a small shop where i had to attend customers along other things and it helped with it but only when talking to strangers i probably will never meet again.
No.2912
>>2910>>2911Oops, didn't mean to post.
Anyway, i suggest you to do something similar; work somewhere you can multi-task and involves social interactions too but not always. Small business are great for that because they don't have money to hire someone for each specific need they have.
Unfortunately this is not something you find as easily as the other entry-level professions.
No.2917
>>2910Gas station attendant. Third shift is best, you're alone, but most places want you to train for a couple months on days before bumping you up.
I actually liked that job.
No.2923
What I do for money can hardly be considered a job, but I do art commissions (and on the off chance, concept work for companies).
Most of it is pornographic in nature, but a lot of the work I get is within "self-insert community". A group of people who are infatuated with fictional characters, and like seeing drawings of themselves or their "self-inserts" interacting with said characters.
I do enjoy this, as artwork is my most practiced and perfected skill as of right now. I love any form of storytelling through media, and any job within that generally wide range would suit me well.
However, this doesn't make me a livable wage, as my brain and body are relatively sick with what doctors have only guessed are depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, and a physical fatigue from all of those combined. Its hard for me to work for long periods of time, or even want to communicate with customers interested in my work.
I am newly medicated, have been working out for almost half a year now, and have high hopes that once I find the right balance of medication and self care, a proper minimum wage job is in order. I can continue to pursue art for myself, hopefully creating works that others appreciate as well, without having to rely on the daunting task of being my own boss.
No.2938
I recently got this job delivering cell phones to people's homes. It's not half bad actually, it's kinda laid back sometimes, and in general it's not too taxing. Sometimes I get sent to distant parts of the city though, a big city at that, and I end up too tired even though I'm most of the time just using public transport.
It's fine though, I just do it and I study while I'm waiting for whatever, and then I get paid at the end of the week. This is what NEETs won't tell you: you get actual money from working, which is not all that awful. I keep buying dumb shit though, so it doesn't last me. Tomorrow I'm getting paid and I'm immediately spending it in a tarot deck.
Can't complain though, I have little else to do and I get to do what I enjoy, that is learning stuff.
No.3268
Sure. I work as a security guard and find the job is very stress free. I was able to set my own hours and get 40 a week. I've also got plenty of time there to play around on my laptop and watch movies/anime or whatever. Pay is 'okay' too for what it is.
No.3274
>>2104I work for peanuts on a website. But I don't have to go out in public which is nice.
No.3277
>>2104I work at a meat factory in the packing section.
Most days are 8-9 hours of putting the same few meat types in boxes and trays. I need the money to move out and we're now at month one with me still quite sane.
My colleagues are mostly Italian, Turkish, and Moroccan workers that don't speak the language. This is mostly alright though, as I'm too nervous to speak a lot anyway and they don't mind me being by myself.
There was this one time where a coworker from another shift thought I was a girl when he saw me in the changing room. Unbeknownst to him, that made my week, since I'm a transgirl.
Another good thing about this job is that the sight and smell of meat outside work almost makes me gag, which is great for not putting on weight.
No.3278
>>2938>tarotHey sushi, what deck did you get? Do we have a tarot/spirituality thread? I'd be very interested in that.
I work in the video game industry, but not in programming or artwork, in less interesting peripheral stuff. It's very poorly paid. I could work in one of those more interesting fields with enough upskilling, but I'm not there yet. But I was out of serious work for a few years (just part-time/freelance) and I'm trying to get back into the right headspace (and save up some money/pay off some debts). It's going OK.
My coworkers are really nice though, we have a good laugh during the day.
No.3305
>>3277>I work at a meat factory in the packing section.Well, I thought I was the only one on sushichan who had such a crappy job
No.3537
>>3305What is your job, if I may ask?
Every day my older colleagues get worried about why a 19 year old boy is working in a meat factory instead of studying, it's quite tiresome.
No.3538
>>3537Exactly what you've described, meat packing. I hate my current job with a burning passion, mainly since we're working about 11h per day (sometimes even 13h) and most folks whom I work with are rude buttholes. I'm hoping to escape from this hellish job asap.
>Every day my older colleagues get worried about why a 19 year old boy is working in a meat factory instead of studying, it's quite tiresome.I used to get weird looks quite a lot on my older job when I was 16 but people have stopped questioning me about it I assume because I look a tad older now (I'm 21 currently).
No.3541
>>2923Man, it always seems that people who try to draw for a living are going through some real shit. Keep doing what you do, you guys make the world a more beautiful place.
No.3544
>>3541Same for music. It's something you gotta have a passion for and likely wont get rich off of.
No.3545
Did for a while, but I burned myself out on it. I work at at diner, and the management is terrible. The job itself is ok, the people I work with are nice. The pay is… well, diner pay. I'm quitting next week because I'll be out of town for a month and I need to look for a new job anyway. I've got enough money in the bank to last me for a while without dipping into my emergency fund, so I should be fine.
No.3547
>>3545Good luck sushi roll!
Pls let us know about your next job
No.3552
When I had jobs in the past I always hated them so I decided to stop doing jobs and start living my life. So far so good
No.3555
>>3552How do you afford to live said life without income?
No.3561
>>3547I won't start looking for one until July, but I'll throw in an update if the thread is still active by the time I do.
No.3565
>>3555It's a struggle for sure, I live frugally and have minimal things, some days I have to busk for money to eat. But I'm much happier now than I was when I was working every day. Guess it's just the way my brain works.
No.4260
>>3547Ok, so big update time! Haven't been on sushi in a while, but you good folks might like to hear how my life has changed since leaving the diner job.
In July, I picked up a job at McDonald's. It was the worst job I had ever taken. I was getting more hours than I could handle, and I was working the twilight shift. The mental stress and lack of sleep I went through there got to the point that my doctor had to intervene, as it was causing my existing health issues to worsen.
Two weeks in, I put in my two weeks notice of departure. So I worked for one month total there. After I left, I asked a friend of mine about work. He's a private renovation contractor, and he said he could hire me on as a subcontractor. So now I work in construction/renovation!
My contractor is a good guy, he treats his team well. My pay is better, I work in the mornings, and my mind is at rest. My health is slowly returning to normal and I'm genuinely at peace.
And I never had to use any of my emergency fund! Truly a blessing in life. I love my job so much. Thanks for caring sushis!
No.4286
>>3537I get asked the same thing every time too. I work as an electrical apprentice and all my coworkers are way older than me like 10+ years. I'm 20 years old but still look like a god dang 17 year old
No.4287
>>2104I'm a webdev and my job consists of maintaining an old website with a fairly large audience. Most of the time I add or remove advertising and I fix bugs. It's not interesting at all from a tech point of view but at least the coworkers are nice, it's close to home and I work only 30 to 35 hours a week.
No.4288
>>4286That sucks :(
I hope they'll stop asking after a while of you working there, sushi.
No.4291
I'm working on off-desk tech support and it's pretty decent. While it's essentially just a stepping stone job with pretty middling pay and I'm planning on bailing when next year rolls around, the coworkers and bosses are a really nice bunch, the bad parts aren't all that bad and the good parts are just exceedingly nice. Sure beats doing helldesk for the same pay by a country mile and then some.
No.4293
I kinda like it. We basically organize events to make businesses in the nautical sector and ship captains meet and make deals or create networks etc. I get to learn some interesting stuff and to work near the port, which atmosphere I love, especially in the winter. When deadlines approach it can be quite tiring and frustrating at times though.
No.4294
I'm gonna try getting a job. Wish me luck!
No.4299
>>4294Good luck, sushi!!!
I believe in you
No.4300
Just finished a CS degree and now the thought of working in IT absolutely depresses me. I barely scraped through the course (it was a really shitty, condensed course and I failed many modules, had to repeat exams, all of my lecturers couldn't stand me), I came out feeling like I knew nothing while my classmates were borderline geniuses and I can't imagine being told off on a daily basis for making stupid mistakes that cost a big company millions (I've watched by bf get slaughtered at his job and he knows much more than me…). I've considered applying for a nice, quiet retail job until I figure it all out but I know for a fact that I'd get too comfortable and I'd end up stuck there for years instead. Also I'm not good with people which is a requirement for both jobs lol. To top it all off, my parents aren't helping. They're the typical overbearing parents who forced me to do the CS course in the fist place because they want their kids to have prestigious jobs that they can brag about to their co-workers. If they thought I was considering a job in retail over something like cyber security, they'd go insane. Every day that goes by where I'm not going to an interview, they're accusing me of being a slob basically. I've never felt this depressed in years. I used to have weekly breakdowns in the bathrooms in college and I can see it effecting my health because I'm always visiting the doctor.
>tl;dr I can't see myself working in IT despite wasting time on a CS degree.
What should I do, sushis? I need help…
No.4308
>>4300I have some questions for you.
1. Do you have a GitHub account?
2. Do you have many personal programming projects?
3. Do you have a website?
4. Do you have any tech-related certifications (A+, Sec+, Net+, CCNA, OSCP, CEH, etc)?
5. Did you do an internship before you graduated?
6. Have you been to any hackathons?
7. Have you gone to career fairs?
8. Do you use Twitter and LinkedIn?
9. Do you have any relevant job experience in IT or CS (like IT help desk stuff)?
10. What's your resume like?
I'm asking because a degree by itself means pretty much nothing.
>Also I'm not good with people which is a requirement for both jobs lolHave you joined any extracurricular organizations related to CS or IT, or have you joined a group like Toastmasters?
The benefit of college is the opportunities to network with people, not just the classes.
No.4312
>>43081. I do. I have two team projects and one project that I completed myself for class. I should probably try to add more.
2. I've tried making a website but it's only basic HTML/CSS. Throughout the year I also tried making little projects in Java like calculators or quizzes but I never put them on my github because I was embarrassed of how basic they are. If anyone has suggestions for really easy things I could build, I'd be really grateful. I generally just follow tutorials word for word…
3. I put the one above on neocities, it's not very impressive and I don't think I'd be confident enough to show it off. I wanted to add a blog but I can't figure out a way to do it on neocities. I've managed to make similar before using PHP, I could post something like that to my github but I think it would look better on my website.
4. I haven't even heard of any of those certs. I took an Oracle Java exam but failed.
5. Unfortunately, my course was only a year long so an internship wasn't available to us because we never had a break.
6. I really don't think I'd be able for something at that level yet. I went to a small one at my college. It was fun but the rest of my team was doing all the work because I didn't understand it, I felt too embarrassed to go again.
7. I've been to two. The first was CS related and the second was more general. I got speaking to a lot of people but they kept stopping me mid sentence to say that they're only looking for people applying for managerial roles. I thought it was really strange because it was next to my college and we were advised to go but no companies were looking for recent graduates/interns.
8. I have LinkedIn, just applied for a job last night through it. It's up to date. I don't have a Twitter.
9. My only job experience is in childcare. I did a two week work experience when I was 16 but it wasn't long enough to have actually learned anything.
10. Thankfully, my college reviewed my CV before I left and gave me some advice on things to change so it's up to date. It's mostly education and one previous job. I listed all the modules I took and what I learned.
I haven't joined anything like that again because I didn't feel confident enough in my coding skills. I actually haven't heard of Toastmasters which is strange because there is actually one in my area, I'll go down this week and check it out. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out sushi roll.
No.4313
Most of the time I enjoy my job, I work in R&D for a smallish engineering company.
It's pretty cool, you get a lot of freedom and most people don't really know what you do, but for some reason they think we're all superhuman engineering machines.
It's nice that people respect us, senior management actually listen if we make suggestions, but it does mean any problem nobody else can solve ends up on my desk or the one's either side.
Sometimes it's nice, makes the job more interesting. But then other times you get someone running in screaming about a colossal fuckup that's been brewing quietly for months and is about to destroy the company, expecting me to fix everything, and I'm just sitting there thinking about how this morning I poured hot coffee on my balls because I can't even hold a mug and a phone at the same time.
tl;dr it's pretty good. But every now and then the pressure gets crazy.
No.4315
>>4312>Throughout the year I also tried making little projects in Java like calculators or quizzes but I never put them on my github because I was embarrassed of how basic they are. There's nothing wrong with putting projects like that on github, though I personally only put personal projects there that aren't for a class. If you made those in your spare time, not for an assignment, I'd say put it on GitHub. Small projects are better than an empty profile (just as long as they're not super buggy or anything).
> I put the one above on neocities,Get your own domain name and shared hosting. It's cheap, but it looks way better than some other hosting service without your own domain.
>it's not very impressiveUndergrad projects don't have to be the most amazing things ever. I put my website and email address with my own custom domain name on my business card and resume. It looks much better than people who don't have a website or don't have their own mail server (it's easy if you use a shared host that takes care of email server stuff for you, and then you just log into cPanel and use Horde or RoundCube or something).
>I wanted to add a blog but I can't figure out a way to do it on neocitiesYou can use something like Jekyll-Bootstrap or Wordpress if you don't want to make something from scratch. Or just manually edit HTML for every entry, as inefficient as it might be.
>using PHPBe careful about security if you do it from scratch
Basically, it sounds like you're doing a lot of good projects but you're putting yourself down because you have unrealistic expectations about what they're supposed to be like. A basic website is better than no website at all. Basic open source projects are better than none or just a couple.
>I really don't think I'd be able for something at that level yetGo to more beginner-friendly ones. I know some people who went to multiple hackathons as a complete beginner. They went there to learn and network as opposed to making something cool. I have personally gone to only one hackathon so far, but I met someone and we made a very simple video game from scratch together. It was really fun even though I'm not the best programmer.
>I got speaking to a lot of people but they kept stopping me mid sentence to say that they're only looking for people applying for managerial rolesThat's weird, I went to a couple career fairs and found a lot of people looking for developers. But not all career fairs are the same. Maybe look into tech-centric ones? My university has one that is only for engineering majors, so it's nothing but STEM recruiters.
I recommend using Twitter. Follow people who have similar career aspirations, and look for people who have a >1:1 ratio of following:followers. They are likely to follow you back. Then try to network with people. If you're not sure who to follow, just look at a big account that is about tech or CS or something, then look at the followers and follow some of the people there who are into development or CS (and also follow lots of people). What I mean by that is that if someone is following 800 people and they have 600 followers, if you follow them, they are likely to follow you back. If someone is following 50 people and they have 50K followers, they're not going to follow you back.
Once you get your follower count up a bit, and have established yourself as an aspiring developer, posting some of what you're doing, recruiters might follow you, or people might DM you if you're nearby and then you can meet people or work on projects together (even if it's online-only in some cases). Twitter has been very helpful for me.
On your website, link to all your social media and also GitHub. Your website should basically be a web-based online portfolio that is like an extension of your resume. Twitter and LinkedIn are very useful for tech.
Try doing freelancing or something or even irrelevant job experience to build up more experience you can put on a resume. Any experience is better than no experience. If you are having a hard time finding a job, apply for internships or volunteer positions. I've done volunteer computer repair at a shelter for poor people who were at risk for becoming homeless. There are plenty of opportunities out there, even if you have to look a while to find something.
>I haven't joined anything like that again because I didn't feel confident enough in my coding skillsThere are some people who join groups like that as complete beginners who are looking to learn more. Don't put yourself down. It's okay to not be a pro at everything. Nobody really is. But networking is super important.
No.4382
I work as a teller, it's a mind numbing job and my boss wants us to push products onto customers and if we don't, we get harassed about it. Every interaction we have to treat as though we're handling a bomb and it's a surprisingly stressful job for such low pay that the only reason I do it is because it's right next to my home.
I should really find a new job but I have had 0 luck so far and I don't particularly know what I should be looking for but I know customer service is going to be the end of me at this rate, even though it's all I've done. It's all about meeting nonexistent quotas and expectations that are unachievable by even the most efficient people here. I need to get out.
No.4388
I'm an apprentice glazier. It's pretty interesting and the days usually go by fast, but there's a lot of pressure and the management is all extremely high strung. All the fellows I work with are nice, at least. Overall it's much better than any other entry-level job I've had, and I make 15/hr.
No.4389
>>4382Holy shit are you me?
No.4393
>>4389That depends, do you spend your free time jerking off and playing video games because you can't muster the motivation to watch anime anymore?
No.4398
>>4393I guess you're not me, then. I haven't played video games since I executed my television with a machete.
No.4545
Service agent for enterprise (car rental company)- I have a love hate relationship with it. One hand, it pays good (12USD/hr) and I like driving the cars around and meeting people. But, cleaning them is not that ideal.Our bay is cold; and cars get pretty messy, like minivans are pretty dope (if you ever have a chance to rent a dodge caravan and take it on the highway, do it!) but after vacuuming them and washing them (power washer, brush, and squeegie) on average that takes 40 minutes. Would I do a different job? yeah. Do I want to? not really
No.4566
Software jobs are so easy and they pay you so much. I'm glad I followed my heart.
No.4580
>>4462A session of the Original Star Wars Battlefront II was not going well. I get a lot more done nowadays and manage my time more wisely.
No.4595
>>4566What kind of software job do you have? I keep hearing wildly different stories, where some jobs work you to the bone and make you do unpaid overtime structurally, and other jobs pay you easy money to automate your own job from home.
No.4597
>>4595When I say easy, I mean that I don't have to do blue-collar work. Most of my time is spent with politics or doing typing on a computer.
No.4832
>>4580Well, I suppose that is one upside. I should probably do the same to be honest, though I might try selling my games instead of destroying them.
No.5493
I work at customer service for a mobile company in the US. I live outside of the US but ofc it's cheaper to pay 3rd world countries for workforce, isn't it?
Do I enjoy it? actually, I do. It's just what you'd expect: talking to angry customers all day. It can be hell, actually. Today I got a really rude and frustrated guy on the phone. But I managed to keep calm and even though he was really rude throughout the call and kept telling me I wasn't helping him, though I WAS, in the end he cooled down. Not always does this happen, and since I'm not american and speaking with americanese, I get a lot of racist jackasses.
But in the end I enjoy it, and I also enjoy the fact that it thoughens me in some aspects, givese me some endurance, and also the fact that I'm outlasting a bunch of other people who keep dropping out.
It gives me the money to keep studying chinese, to take my pretty lady out for dinner every now and then, and generally, to chill. Even though sometimes the shift can be really heavy, but I also have drugs so in the end, I can't really complain.
hbu sushi, do you enjoy your job?
No.5499
>>2104I work as a custodian at the University I attend, easy money cause I barely do shit and just listen to podcasts the entire time.
No.6229
I was just filleting salmon in Alaska for a month this summer. Long hours, but good pay and very interesting conversations.
No.6230
Software Engineer, mobile development to be more specific. It can be slightly stressful but never overwhelming. Any stress that does come up stems from deadlines from the higher ups, but it's never been anything we couldn't handle. Pay is great (a bit higher than average for my skill level, but a bit lower than our direct competitors who have venture capitalist money to blow through), can work from home (great if I need a breather from going to the office regularly), and enough interesting coworkers to keep things from being a bore. I'm satisfied with work, but I miss being able to go out and do things during the day.
No.6248
I work as an entry level software engineer at a Chinese robotics company. The pay is pretty good but like everything else is not too great :(
I feel like everything is getting in the way of me actually doing any work. We have mandatory end of day meetings every other day but since I'm the only software engineer at this branch I don't have anything to say, I just kinda sit and stare. And then I keep getting physically/mentally sick and I've been taking days off to recover but I can't work remote, so I haven't made any money these past few days and I haven't done any work in a week either.
It really sucks how awful and overbearing Chinese companies can be, these guys don't trust their workers at all. They all worship the 996 system and Jack Ma and middle management but I feel like I used to get so much more work done when I didn't have to deal with any of this bullshit and when my employers treated me as an equal. I think I'm going to look for another job soon, I wish I didn't have to because programming robots is honestly really fucking cool.
No.6255
>>6254You seem very sure about your future.
No.6257
>>6254I had a similar job. It was horrible, and the warehouse manager always pushed the sales guys to sell more services and useless crap, and a lot of that pressure spilled over to us working with support too.
So many students ended up with year long service contracts that included Office 365, when they could make use of the already free support the IT faculty give to every single university student, and the 365 ProPlus license their university provides for them. 200 dollars down the drain.
For certain types of people, it was an ok deal, but most don't need it.
No.6260
>>6254I don't want to discourage you, but working in an office sucks, $70K is not a lot of money, and the slow daily grind towards your death is not something I would look forward to.
In other words, slaving for The Man is no way to live. Either make your own company, or die trying.
No.6287
>>6260What planet are you on? 70k is a really nice white collar wage. People that start business are usually way off that.
No.6304
Senior software engineer here, 8 years in the field.
I fucking hate it. A single thought of having to work in this position again puts me to sleep.
I got burnt out last year and since then I can't get myself to even think of coming back. It's just sickening.
What is more sickening is that it's the highest paying position a regular mortal with no connections can get. Conditions are also phenomenal. When I search for something else I realize it more and more how important it was to be paid the amount I was paid, and how important the conditions I worked in were. All other places look like hell.
I can't abandon this specialty, and also I can't find anything else. My only other skill in life is my English knowledge. The country I live in is pretty bad at English, so private English instructors are very common. However, when I search for those positions or even go through an interview, they look like shit in comparison. It seems that if you really want to teach something to somebody, be it English or any other skill, you need to organize it by yourself. Otherwise you'll get stuck in doing this shit in an inefficient way or even fooling people just to get paid.
Back to the topic, currently I'm unemployed and I have no idea what to do next in my life. Perhaps waiting another year could prove fruitful in battling the burn out effect that resides within me, but it's so risky and uncertain that I can't bring myself to doing that. Come 2020 I will be looking for a job again. And at that, hate every moment of my life until I figure this situation out.
No.6305
>>6304If you are good at programming make something that makes money for you.
No.6306
>>6305That's a common advice and definitely an idea that crossed my mind many times, but in practice it's very different.
Firstly, programming skill is but a skill, it won't make you money. You can make a trending website while being a junior developer, because presentation matters more
Secondly, the rest of the process is the same as for any other field where you want to create something that would make money for you. Take book writing. You can be an excellent writer and compose a masterpiece, but what's next? You need social networking skills, some investments into advertisement, reviews, publicity, community, a discussion around you work, etc. Otherwise you're not selling jack shit.
Add to that the fact that it's extremely difficult to finish something. Artists and producers also face the same struggle, they left their work unfinished when the motivation is gone. You need to specifically "work for free" to finish a project. With the risk of it never bringing any profit, too.
That aside, you need to find something that people would consume. Something a 30yo indian dude across the planet haven't came up with and tried to develop. Some lotery-winning idea. It is black and white, your work either creates at least semi-reasonable revenue, or it doesn't. You also can't go for quantity, because over time dead projects just die. If your project hasn't took off over a few years and it keeps making you those $10 a months, it will die, even if you put more effort into it.
And even putting that aside, you're competing with millionaire companies who have professional developers, marketers, SEOs, and a huge budget to invest into advertisement. This makes the odds even lower.
There's many people who have lots of good projects, most of them put them on github as well, and they get nothing, even if their project is used and they have a patreon/something set up. A few stars, a few forks. But one of those forks could be microsoft, which creates revenue from that code right now and gives nothing in return. This is how most "masterpieces of software development" end up these days.
You have better odds at creating an IT piece as a SEO than a developer. Software engineer/developer is a monkey laborer, it ends there. A plumber can't sell pipes unless he's a salesman. A software developer can't create a profitable project unless he's an expert at everything-else-other-than-the-programming-part.
No.6307
>>6306Here is an example of something that is dead simple and people would probably pay for, but it was released for free.
http://notational.net/I'm sure that you could come up with something like this. I'm sure that large companies would not attempt to create something like this because its scale is too small and it's not even in their world view of opportunities.
Here is another example of something that is dead simple, people HAVE payed a lot for, and it was created by a single developer (a Tokyo developer who quit because he hated the サラリーマン life).
https://inkdrop.app/If you read any literature about startups or entrepreneurship, you will find that being independent simply means solving a problem that is too small, too obscure, or too new (or old) for existing companies to solve. You can even release an application with EXACTLY THE SAME FEATURES as an existing application and sell it by putting your own looks or philosophy into it.
However, being an independent software developer usually means doing things other than coding. Maybe you make some designs for the application or the website. Maybe you learn a little bit about content marketing and how to write a good blog post. Maybe you send some messages to writers who are looking to feature software like yours.
In the end, you find some way to provide some value to somebody and you ensure that you get paid for the value you create through some pricing model (e.g., Sublime Text, Inkdrop). Your product isn't guaranteed to succeed, but you learn a lot by giving it a shot. This kind of scrappy innovation is really what entrepreneurship is, making due with what you have to achieve a goal that provides value to somebody.
When you get more money, you can pay somebody to do things that you aren't very good at. When you build stronger skills, you can take on things that you think you excel at.
TL;DR: Big players in a market don't preclude entrepreneurship that can result in you becoming financially independent.
No.6308
>>6307I don't argue that there aren't such cases, my point is that it's very luck based and it's basically a lottery. You might as well start streaming on Twitch because it's the same kind of lottery where if you make it, you make it.
You listed a few projects and I can add a dozen more on top of them, but statistically those are probably <0.1% of all _finished_ startups led by 1-3 people.
I have worked in startup business as a senior full stack web developer, and I've met many people there who just hop from one startup job to another, because startups even if properly funded just never make it. You make a big buck as a developer there because of all the risks, plus they often offer you a share after the product has gotten popular, but it never gets popular. That's just how IT business is.
The advice to "just make something that will give you money" faces the exact same problem. It's literally the same market and in it you're also at a disadvantage, let alone the amount of competition.
Sure you can make yet another basic app or something like that, but at the end of the day it's not even the size of the project, it's just how lucky you are in getting it running. It can be your 10 year long monstrous project or it can be a 6 hour hackaton challenge project. They both have equal odds of becoming big enough to bring revenue.
This is just an unreasonable investment of time and money, is my point. If you like gambling then it's probably ok, you can keep trying to push your ideas and develop more stuff. But if you're into having a stable financial situation then it's probably not for you. I consider myself to be having the preference of the latter.
No.6310
>>6308You don't have to receive a giant windfall to be successful, and it isn't all about the money (i.e., autonomy is important to some people).
The better way to frame it is that you are expanding your scope to include opportunities beyond the traditional job market. For somebody, like me, who cannot handle the modern, agile, stack-ranked, open office, I don't think that looking into alternative opportunities is a risk. To me, ending my life in a conference room after the tenth meeting about code style is the bigger risk.
No.6312
My job is alright. It's an office job doing administrative stuff for a local government.
The work itself is pretty easy, so I read or work on other stuff during work hours. The pay could be higher, but I'm not doing anything skills intensive, so I guess I would rather be paid less with less stress.
No.6327
>>6312I often fantasise about having a low-stress job, with lots of free time to indulge my hobbies. But maybe I'd actually find a more challenging career more rewarding than something that's just to pay the bills?
If they're so important to me, maybe I should make my hobbies a full-time thing. Of course, this might not be practical, but it seems rather timid of me to give up without having tried that level of commitment.
No.6489
>>6304why do you hate it, and what technology do you work, if I may ask?
I just got promoted to senior engineer and love my job (so far), although I wish I knew how to generate some side income.
No.6494
>>6489I just got burnt out of it pretty much, there's no objective sane reasons to hate it. The conditions are way better than for other positions, the payment is way bigger as well.
I'm a full stack developer, started out as a front end developer. Front: react, vue, angular; back: node, symphony (or a similar one), clojure. Something along these lines.
But it's not the technology stack that gets me, it's just the entire thing as a whole. Just sitting there, being nagged to constantly, being complained to constantly, redoing the same shit, idk. Last position I tried I had to go outside every 30 minutes or else I'd literally fall asleep, even if I had a proper night time sleep.
No.6498
>>6494Hahaha, I remember a guy that did that shit. He would just randomly fall asleep during the day, a narcoleptic or something.
Yea, I know what you're talking about though. You have it so good, but you feel that quiet desperation, some sort of first world problem.
For me, it's that build up of working really hard to get to your goal, sacrificing everything, yet finding out that, whichever way you spin it, it doesn't seem worth it.
You still have to show up to work on time.
You still have to put in those 8 to 10 hours each day.
You still have to work weekends on occasion.
You still catch flack if the boss can't see you in your cube.
In a since, it's like upgraded childhood, something that you hoped you might eventually escape through enough hard work. Yet, here you are grinding away on your next ticket and hoping to spend your free time kicking the shit with your old friends.
You love spending time with your friends.
You have a good time on most weekends.
You might have even found a girl worth your time.
Those 8 to 10 hours each day make you kind of sad though. How long can you see yourself doing this? In a sense, the reruns of each week are a kind of preview of the rest of your life, maybe the end of your life. Couldn't it be better than this?
Yea, that's what made me change. If I can take control of my future, why would I settle for this kind of situation?
No.6501
>>6498Wow, sushi, are you me?
I went through an uncannily similar line of thought when I got out of my first IT job doing tickets. Worked for a few weeks somewhere much worse, then switched to cybersec. Quit after a few months because it was indistinguishable from selling snake oil at a colossal scale. Felt like a downward spiral. Went back to uni to get my masters, which is where I am now. I can't muster the willpower to code anymore, and I'm still considered a "junior" in the industry.
Will probably get the paper and move to some other town. Don't know exactly how to approach a long term plan from here, and that's infuriating.
No.6510
I also work as a software dev, for maybe half a year, and I dislike it.
The programs are uninteresting. People also dont understand how much faster programs could be, but that is a completely different topic.
I dont care about teaching people, its tedious, and they wont listen and even if they were to learn they wouldnt use the knowledge anyway.
So I just pretend to listen to them, shit out whatever code that has an "acceptable" level, and just try to pass the time the rest of the time.
Work conditions are alright though. I can leave early and from home sometimes.
But honestly I would rather do something creative and/or with my hands.
Building something out of wood could surely be more fun, but who knows.
No.6514
>>6501I wonder if anyone does. If they do, their situation and goals are almost guaranteed to be so much different than yours that advice doesn't apply.
Being creative in directing your life is hard work in itself, huh?
No.6588
I don't, it lacks meaning.
When I tried to escape finance I ended up in digital advertising of all places, hilarious stuff that somehow made me grow as a person. But my principles forced me back to square one and a goal for next year is to switch jobs once again. (As time passes it gets more scary to do so and fall upwards)
No.12434
I've enjoyed every job I've worked. I feel like if you want to be miserable, you will find a way to be even in the best job. I've done retail, sex work, construction, office work, and been a paid videographer/photographer. The key I feel is to not let your work define who you are, but to be yourself and wiggle your way into situations where that puts you at a distinct advantage. Learn yourself sushi roll! If you know yourself you are limitless.
No.12436
I work from home as an accountant and have barely any work ever so I'm almost getting paid to NEET. Part of me wishes I had a more fulfilling job where I can actually feel any sense of learning or accomplishment, but I certainly can't complain about playing video games all day. It makes me scared to ever look for a new job and risk needing to actually do work though, even if I'd like the salary bump.
No.12437
>>12436That's pretty common these days with all the zoom jobs. Part of me wonders if it wont become the new status quo, since it will obviously be cheaper for companies to have everyone work at home instead of renting a large office building. IDK how you do it though man, I had a job like that shortly during the pandemic, but I never got shit done because the urge to procrastinate and play vidya/watch anime was too high. Too easy just to put shit off when you aren't in an office space (imo)
No.12439
>>12437I definitely feel you on the procrastinating, I'm only surviving because of how small my workload is. It still takes me half the day to finish what I could probably have done in an hour, since I only work for 5 minutes at a time before I start screwing around. If I actually got a day's worth of work to do each day I'd be hopeless.
No.12440
I get paid $16.50 an hour at Mcdonalds cleaning and fixing things
you tell me
No.12441
I work two jobs and they're both relatively low-stress (Much more than the one I had in fast food, at least) but work will always be work for me, so I don't believe I could ever "enjoy" any job in that sense. Even if it is supposed to be the most fun and interesting job in the world, I will always prefer doing things outside of work.
No.12442
>>12441being forced to support a society I no longer identify with is the worst part tbh
No.12445
I work as a Software Engineer, it's a pretty good deal. Rarely do I need to work super long hours, and I get paid enough to fund all of my interests. The most stressful time is when you're new to a company and you have to figure out all of their processes, architecture, etc. But then again, if that's all I've stressed over then maybe I've just been really lucky with where I've worked. It's also convenient because I can work from home, although I do miss hanging out with people while working in the office.
No.12449
>>12436I am an accountant too but I get pushed often to my limit and sometimes beyond. All I can say is that your post made me envy.
>>12441What are your low-stress jobs? I really would like to change my job, I hate offices.
No.13060
I'm a pizza man, I make pizza. Made it for a few different businesses, and I enjoy it. Not something I want to be doing for the rest of my life, doesn't pay well enough to be sustainable, but I do like my job. I listen to music and make the pizza all day. Someday I would like to be a bartender though.
No.13109
I do a side-gig as a technical writer.
No.13544
>>13543For a living? That's really cool if so. (not that baking as a hobby isn't!)
No.13562
I'm on month 3 working for the local government's engineering division. I'm not an engineer, I was a sailor and offshore surveyor before this but I lost that job because I refused to go along with mandates. It sucked being gone for months at a time but I really miss that job. Miss the sea.
Now I'm home every night after a 1 hour commute doing work thst I barely understand and I'm not enough of a perfectionist for; I simply don't care if my measurement for an easement is 1 foot off. We'll see how long I last here.
>>13061I always see the farmers on my drive home and think of how happy I could have been if I had some land to work.
No.19071
Who wants to be an influencer?
>>5499Nice. *thumbs up*
No.19097
It's not too bad, being a gas station guy, but the pay's not very good. I have to prepare food as well, and I'm allergic to something in the store. I can tolerate it for the three days I'm there. I actually have a degree in information technology and an A+ certification, but it looks like there's no entry level jobs for that field where I am. I literally mean it's all or mostly mid level or senior level positions. The entry level positions oddly pay only about a dollar more than I make now, and I'm not even clerkmaxxing my pay. I could easily get over 18 an hour, 40 hours a week. What a joke.
No.19107
>>19097Clerkmaxx bro what the hell are you doing?
No.19110
i sell expensive sofas and they don't give us commission. the work is a little boring and the shop is often quiet which means I have to find some way to entertain myself for hours at a time. my manager is really nice though so i do care about actually doing a good job when customers come in.
No.19129
>>19072Having good coworkers can really turn a shitshow into a passion. Going out for drinks after a particular day is so much fun.
I'm in a much better job now but I sort of miss the camaraderie a terrible situation brought about.
No.19148
only australians say "tradie"…
No.19212
>>19129Me too sushi, me too.
Not
>>19072, I'm actually
>>4313 back with another blog post.
Not too long after that post there was a big ol' management switch up, and things went rapidly down the pan.
At first it was pretty rough, but as we settled in there was about 4 months of glorious chaos where every day was an adventure.
Sadly it then took another dive and wrapped back around to existential dread.
The last straw was a 3 hour meeting, where the new project managers were arguing semantics about the merits of a 2% cost reduction that might lead to dead customers. CEO joined the call and said meetings over, we're doing the 'maybe death' option.
I bailed out the next week and never looked back, less than 6 months later they announced they were shutting down.
I'm glad I left when I did, but I sure miss some of the times we had
No.19269
>>19267I SWEAR THIS GUY IS EVERYWHERE EVERY CHAT EVERY WEBSITE I HATE THAT MEME
No.19270
>>19269The Tokyo Olympics guy? He is ok. I just… Don't really like this culture of kissing the floor companies walk on, or else you aren't fit for the job.
I have possibly applied to thousands of positions, and all the filters they make you go through are absurd.
The market has to correct itself, companies can't lay off people and ask for ridiculous skill sets forever.
No.19280
>>19270I just straight up lie on my resume and then tell the interviewer my actual skills and experience. That way I can have a chance at slipping around the ATS bots and talking to a real person.
I saw a job listing for an apprenticeship that required 5 years of experience to apply. It really is just absurd what companies are asking for.
No.19282
>>19267The only thing I retained from this linkedin person is that his business Katonic AI is only for show and offers no valid performance.
pic rel for that linkedin poster
No.19288
>>19267Its not just corporations. Everybody is like this now. I can't hold down a job. I have no friends. I can't get a girlfriend. Why? Because I can't meet peoples expectations. They are too high or too rigid or too difficult to keep up appearances all the time. And the worst thing is I have insane and unrealistic expectations of myself. I'm never good enough. I hate myself. And then you realize society has become this savage place where expectations are punishingly high and you are blackmailed into self-destructive optimism where your bully yourself to achieve.
What happened to those values we were taught as kids? I just want the world to be kind and comfy but having said it, modern people will probably invent some ridiculous gross comfiness index and brutally rank people on it as if its an achievement award. Fake niceness. Actually, they have already basically gone ahead and done this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_National_Happiness#CriticismI just wish society was less ruthless and competitive. I wish I could be easier on myself.
No.19292
>>19288>tying expectations about yourself with expectations from others>others that figuratively speaking aren't there and most likely are a scenario in your headNonetheless, I do agree that the "hustle culture" is awful. I honestly can't fathom where things could go at this rate, but surely it can't be good.
No.19294
I have a pretty comfy job doing admin work in a GP practice. Coworkers are lovely, I'm not under any pressure to meet deadlines or financial goals and I feel comforted by the fact that my work helps doctors do their job easier. Sure I don't make much money but I feel like I'm doing some good in the world. I've never been an ambitious person and I wouldn't last a day in the corporate world so this job suits me just fine.
No.19296
>>19294That sounds really nice, and I'm glad you're happy with your job.
If you don't mind me asking, why do you think you're not ambitious?
No.19299
>>19296Because… I have no ambitions? I don't know how to answer that, it's a very broad question. Do I want to be a "success", whatever that means? Do I have goals and dreams I want to achieve? Do you have hope for a better future? No.
I live in the present and try to avoid stress wherever I can. I don't want to remember the past, I don't want to think about the future, I just want to be content with the now.
No.19300
>>19299I was asking because I also feel like I struggle with feelings about having no ambition, but I really admire your zen attitude to life.
No.19309
>>19107Just a little joke, lol. If I wanted to, I could go full time for 18 an hour and guaranteed 40 hours a week, I mean.
No.19341
>>19288>I just want the world to be kind and comfyIt just isn't and I have accepted (?) this as a part of reality. Like, it may sound stupid, but us having to eat just to stay alive is cruel both towards us and towards the eaten.
In childhood (and sometimes now) I had that desire to just be a ghost. Completely invisible and unaffectable by the real world, but I would still like to watch. But this dream will never come true, and what is worse, even if it did, I would probably change my mind on it, finding new ways to be upset about. Human mind is chaotic and humans in generally are disgusting to me, I guess. Not that I actually hate people, more like I don't think we are particularly likable.
No.19374
>>4312If it's one year is what you did something more like a bootcamp? or is it more like Full sail/WGU? But You probably have a bit of an uphill battle tbh because of your background & the current economy.
First get over the fact you think your projects are cringe & just list them on your resume. First line of resume reading, especially for new grad roles, is usually HR people who don't know anything technical. If you're really insecure don't upload it to your github & just explain it on your resume. No one has to see it, but they know you did something. Somewhat unethical, but you can fake a club to add because unless it's some big organization they can't doublecheck them.
Finally this sounds overwhelming, but make it a numbers game. Use simplify to autofill Workday applications & apply to anything IT, SWE, or tech related everyday. Apply until you run out of new jobs for the day. It sounds hard, but once you get some music or videos in the background it's very turn your brain off.
Finally like the other sushi roll said hackathons are pretty chill. If you're really scared do a virtual one.
No.19375
I'm a secuirty engineer, it isn't as cool as it sounds what I do is half audit, half legacy systems work. The people, amenities, & pay is great, but we don't get enough work. It's a mix of working in a slow industry & being underutilized intentionally, so if shit hits the fan everyone is free to be on-call. To give an example of the workload I know people who left, despite all the benefits because the psychological toll of doing nothing all day was getting to them.
I've always been 50/50 on it. On one hand I come from a background where the type of money I make literally was life changing, I made enough money to finally move away from my mentally unstable parents with left over for retirement savings. Alongside that I'm the kid of immigrants, so I've seen how unpleasant jobs can really get. On the other had doing nothing while being stuck in a cage like cubicle & having to justify why I deserve my paycheck everyday does have a mental toll after awhile.
I've been trying to be more positive in general though, so I try to to be thankful. Having a lot of bills + knowing what 'dream' jobs are like suppresses a lot of the doom spirals.
>>6304>I got burnt out last year and since then I can't get myself to even think of coming back. It's just sickening. What is more sickening is that it's the highest paying position a regular mortal with no connections can get. Conditions are also phenomenal. This is an issue I see a lot of high paid earners feel. The whole golden handcuffs idea. It's nice to know other people feel like this too because no one in my family can really relate cause they're poor immigrants
No.19411
>>19375Looks like you're doing good, bro.
No.19571
I hated my last job because it was pretty dead end and I didn't have a lot of say in what I did.
Now I'm just trying to work part time and also start my own business, which I think I'll like more because I can just do whatever I want or also be doing something I care about
