/hell/ - internet death cult

You're completely correct but at some point having any level of standards became "gatekeeping" when it was convenient (i.e. made life worse for the people who had made the communities to start with).

>>3647
How about when the lack of gatekeeping makes life worse for the people who made the communities to start with?

>>3648
Worded what I said poorly but that's what I meant. The word "gatekeeping" is only ever used in a context where it hurts those people. You'll never see it when the sorts of people who've piled in and polluted a hobby start tossing people (usually those like the founders) out.

>>3649
> You'll never see it when the sorts of people who've piled in and polluted a hobby start tossing people (usually those like the founders) out.
This is what happened to a community I started. It was a super niche community for a niche hobby that steadily grew, but we didn't put our feet down against shithead behavior hard enough and the result is that the community is unrecognizable and nobody that ever contributed anything to the community wants to participate anymore. it was sad to watch the community die.

I think "gatekeeping" is the wrong term to use. it necessitates something else. gatekeeping implies I don't want people that aren't like me in my community, which isn't true. I want diverse people from different backgrounds in my community. what I don't want is boneheads that start shit over nothing. and talk shit about other members. it's a hard thing to control unless you're a bit of an asshole as a community leader.

>>3646
It depends what you're talking about, but in general, gatekeeping is a band-aid solution to problems that shouldn't exist to begin with.

>>3646
that implies anyone ever needed psuedo-intellectual chantards to get into anything, they just on to other sources instead. when it's corporate now and you're still a loser pirating shit online you really have no right to anything. grow up.

>>3658
what are you even talking about? lol

>>3657
>problems that shouldn't exist to begin with.
To me the problem is people migrating to a thing for reasons other than why people already like said thing. Obviously having more people in a hobby or community is a good thing (up to a point), but if those new people aren't there for the same reason then it can lead to the thing changing to accommodate them to the point where the original fanbase is pushed to the wayside. I'm not sure how you make such a problem not exist, since people are always going to want to be a part of new things.

It's about the behavior, not the people tho, eh? That's a good distinction, even if it may be that some people may have a behavior inside themselves that they cant remove which bars them from a community that would otherwise have them with mutual benefit.
Mostly this seems like a nerd, mop, etc thing tho.
https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
Ulg I like this article but its definitely an uncomfy feel. And I disagree with the sharp categorization implied and the term sociopath. Though I cant think of a term that fits better.
See also
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tscc3e5eujrsEeFN4/well-kept-gardens-die-by-pacifism

Thinking about this makes me appreciate sushichans hell board way of doing things.

>>3661
Ah I've read both those articles before. Interesting topic and for the most part it explains my pro-gatekeeping stance better than I could. I really do think that trying to force a space or fandom into having more mass-appeal shows a concerning lack of empathy towards people who may only be comfortable and accepted in niche spaces or hobbies. Of course it then becomes very easy to smear those people as bad or wrong or selfish. I think it's another symptom of more and more people adopting a very black and white, good vs evil view of everything in their lives, and that's scary to me. Why try to understand and empathize with disagreements when you can just say "I'm good and you're bad" and get cheered on for it?

>>3646
Honestly at this point I think anybody who argues against gatekeeping is a part of the group being gatekept themselves, I've seen so many communities eat shit and die because of lack of it, and it's clear as day what happens when you don't gatekeep retards out of your community just by looking at 4chan(although lack of gatekeeping is only one of the reasons 4chan is so shit now)

I'm going through a quarter-life crisis. Namely, I'm trying to be stoic about my job and rationalize myself that it's good and I should stick with it. The job has good , remote work, federal benefits, good work/life balance, a nice boss, federal pension, and the knowledge that I'm technically serving the public. However, I can't take it lads. I can feel myself turning into a lifeless boomer with each stupid document I write. The quota system is relentless and it's like an endless treadmill with no breaks. I think I'd rather kill myself than work 30 more years sitting at my desk day in and day out doing some of the most boring work imaginable.

Maybe desk work isn't for me. Well, truthfully I don't think *any* work is for me, but perhaps a job where I'm not staring at a computer screen will be less depressing. With that in mind, I'm seriously considering becoming a pilot. In fact, I always wanted to be a pilot, but I never went for it because it's a risky career choice–as a compromise, I studied aerospace engineering for my bachelor's. However, while I may be good at math and science, I never really liked engineering. Indeed, I forgot about piloting for a while because school completely neutered my interest in aeronautics. But after a two years out of college and some deep thinking, I remembered why I got the damn degree in the first place. I'm taking my discovery flight this Saturday, and I'm really excited.

However, I'm not looking at this with rosy eyes. I know my paycheck will be terrible for a long while. I know I would probably retire sooner if I just stick with my boring paper-pushing job. I know that life on the road and living in hotels will probably get old after a while. I know that flying as a job will likely kill whatever passion I have for it in the first place. I know that "making it" and getting a desirable job (e.g., captain at a major airline) will be a crapshoot. But goddamnit, every time I hear a plane in the sky while I'm drudging away on my work computer, a little part of me dies.

I guess I'll take my discovery flight and then work on getting my PPL if it turns out I like flying. Once I get my PPL, I'll see then if I want to go down this insane, unwise route. It's just that I can't take the drudgery anymore…what else is to be done?

Stupid gross sex-havers posting on my Sushichan…

>>3732
Oh no, an imageboard developing a culture of openness, positive introspection and mutual respect! Whatever are we to do?!

>>3734
Sushi, you don't need to be a sex-haver to not be lonely.

I can't cope with the fact that I'll die alone

>>3736
Don't worry sushi there's always time to make meaningful relationships!

Or you could shift your perception on relationships and de-prioritize them. That's what I did

>>3736
Same
I can empathize with people who get angry at seeing people discuss relationships, it's hard not to get bitter sometimes.

>>3737
>Or you could shift your perception on relationships and de-prioritize them.
I used to live like that, but ever since I somehow ended up getting into a relationship that didn't last too long, I can't help but be obsessed with the fact that I never will be able to talk to girls unless they approach me. And that mixed with the fact that I don't go outside or I really don't want to leave contact info around, nor try dating sites or apps, makes me feel the more recluse.
And even then I feel like I'd screw everything up. I'd feel like they're trying to pull a prank on me, or that I don't deserve any of it.

>>3650
>I think "gatekeeping" is the wrong term to use.
Agreed, IMO in situations like what happened with your community, gatekeeping wouldn't have helped, but moderation would have. Stopping shitty behaviours dead in their tracks before they can take hold as a new normal and attract more people like that wouldn't be gatekeeping.

>>3747
>Stopping shitty behaviours dead in their tracks before they can take hold as a new normal and attract more people like that
That's exactly what people mean when they say "gatekeeping is good" though. Nobody wants their hobby or community to never grow, they just want it to grow via people who won't blow up their spot.

In my experience, if someone is really adamant that something is "gatekept too hard", they probably want to change it.

"gatekeeping" is kind of a fuzzy term.

Rules are a good thing. Moderation is a good thing. Idiots on the internet trying to define what makes someone a "true member/fan/visitor" of a community is incredibly moronic and is just as bad, if not worse than the "disruptive people" they think they're fighting against. Imageboards are incredibly diverse places and boards like /g/, /a/, /v/, etc. are bound to contain a wide variety of those interested in the subject(s), from lifelong enthusiasts who've invested thousands of hours into the hobby to people visiting the board for the first time with inquisitiveness. I enjoy my hobbies, and as such want to share them with as many people as possible and am always at the aid of those who want to learn more. I never discriminate based on knowledge. Not only would it be rude, but it would likely put them off to the point of them never wanting to visit the community again and would leave them with a permanently negative impression of those on it.

Some people feel as though boards are their own personal property however, and scream "newfag!" at others who aren't as invested as they are as if its a grave sin. In my experience these kinds of people are usually nothing outside of a particular website and need it to feel good about themselves since it enables them to be condescending to other people for having not watched the same amount of Chinese cartoons as them or some other ridiculous thing. I've seen this everywhere, from forums to imageboards to even real life communities.

>>3646
Gatekeep loser newfriends out of your mind

life is so complicated. i dont get it i dont get it i dont get it, so i make it and everyone is upset. but eberything i have learned is fixed in time and will be proven wrong eventually. Be it me or someone else. The story will be overwritten, warped and distorted until the original content is as questionable as the answers questioned by our grandchildren. what am i even doing? it has been years, but i cant push through and keep going on always thirsting for the nurtured bliss, that once meant everything for me. nothing of worth to gain, nothing lasting in my footsteps. everyone is gone. the dream is dead.

The roe v. Wade decision is a good thing and I'm sick of pretending it's now.

>>3879
I'm honestly indifferent towards it myself. My mom thinks its a good thing since it'll increase accountability, although aside from that she doesn't care about it in the slightest. People will yell about it on the internet for a week or two more and then will move on to the next hot topic.

>>3879
Wtf Just yesterday I went into 4chien and saw several mentions of Roe v Wade, what is this 1967?

>>3879
I wish Americans lived in another planet where I don't get to hear their problems

>>3886
Well, I wish non-Americans lived in another planet so they'd stop taking up our land, how about that, HUH?

>>3886
I wish problems lived on another planet and everything on earth was just chill.

>>3887
That is an extremely cringe statement.