/silicon/ - technology

He seems to have made the electric car industry get off its ass which earns him some respect in my eyes. I generally characterize him as deranged but probably a positive impact on the world…

Recommending this thread for hell. You could probably approach this topic without being this uncomfy… desu.

To be honest I just don't care.
Also Twitter is a cesspool for crazy people whose only value is letting me find art from artists I like (and it's a terrible platform for that even). I genuinely can't see how new ownership could make it any worse as I am already of the opinion that it's by far the most harmful of all the social media platforms.

I have an even hotter hot take.
Electric vehicles are scam.
It's less damaging for the environment to use internal combustion engines, especially considering how much they've gone in terms of efficiency and they can and should be used for decades. At least oil industry is not tainted by slavery, widespread in lithium and other rare Earth mining industries. It's better for everyone to own, care for, and drive a single, or, maybe a couple cars that are build to last. My dream car still is a W123 hardtop coupe turbodiesel. In blaugrau. Which is capable of running on used seed oil, mind you. Modern diesel engines are not.
The current trend of ev is being pushed by the industry, because it's convenient for them to pass this as a major leap forward, nvm that ev cars did exist 100 years ago, and by the urge of a certain kind of people to find an easy way to look and think of themselves as better than others and good in general (this became apparent a decade ago with the arrival of the Prius). The more extreme version of this is the veganism cult.

I am not an Elon fan. His companies, while sounding positive and future-forward in concept, often fall prey to hyper-capitalistic tendencies and 'test fast consequences later' startup-type cultures. I attend an engineering university known for an extremely rigorous workload where students with free time are in the vast minority and Tesla is ALWAYS sniping our power graduates. Makes sense on the surface because Tesla is an EV company, but it resonates a bit more sinisterly when alumni report that the culture at Tesla is just as bad as the culture at uni, but they hadn't noticed because they'd been desensitized to it. Even if you're not politically invested in that, I think it's at least worth turning a nose up at how he's convinced America that he's an engineer despite very much not being one.

>>2020
I 100% agree. What do you think of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles? Toyota has been pushing hard. The Mirai looks cool?

>>2017
elon musk is the elizabeth holmes of these days
pretends to be an excentric genius, a real life tony stark, while he didn't even founded tesla in the first place, he was just a rich kid form south africa profiting from white supremacy.
he became rich by taking government subsidies, he inflated the stock market, tesla is basically a bubble since he doesn't sell any cars outside of california but yet it's more valuable than toyota, the guy literally sold 4 billion dollars of tesla's stock just to purchase twitter
and tbh what kind of technology has twitter to be considered innovative? just fucking nothing, the only people who respects that california roll are only redditors and people who just say that they love but they've never dedicated their time so study some stem and only thing that they know about stem comes from rick and morty and that's how easy it is to scam people about these things, most people doesn't even know what file systems are on computers and only a few have studied an engineer.

I think that silicon valley investors are so desperate to find a new steve jobs that can fill their pockets that they just find whatever shithead with daddy money comes.
Also elon is just a ticking bomb, it just a matter of time when everything falls apart, we've seen this before and scammers never get away from their actions, even steve jobs was just a poser but at least he delivered products that they worked and they were good.

Mmmmm
This thread… I can feel it.
This thread must vanish, for it brings turbulence to the board
Dissapear like the wind, or burn by the fires…

yeah this seems like a conversation that should be had one /hell/ or, ideally, a different website. I really don't give a shit about elongated muskrat but I find the circlejerking annoying whether for or against

>cant discuss tech related topics on a tech board
so how long until this site becomes lainchan 2.0 in terms of absolute steaming pile of shit moderation

>>2021
I wonder if we go to the same uni…

>>2154
Fellow midwestern US sufferer?

>>2155
Aye. I'm afraid not.

>>2156
Sad. Could've been a sushi moment.

>>2020
I feel like your issue lies more in the Lithium industry than in electric vehicles.

That's why a lot of Chinese companies are investing in the development of sodium-ion batteries. They are more heavy, admittedly, but they are way cheaper and more ethical to source than lithium. And maybe in the future we'll discover a better alternative to lithium than sodium, but either way, electric is the future.

>>2020
I'm renting a full electric EV right now and I agree. Using it makes me feel like I'm greener, but I know this battery is horrendous for the environment and the electricity used to power my car probably still relies on burning fossil fuels. Plus, it takes 1hr to fully charge my car when I'm using a "fast charger." Pretty inconvenient. Tesla sells well not because they're electric imo, but they let people virtue signal and that it's a good car.

>>2017
Musk is a genius. His whole shtick is setting up a business or project with a high tech veneer, soaking up subsidies and investments, inflate the bubble and sell it on before it pops and repeat, or just inflate it to the point it becomes too big to fail. Is he a conman? Well yeah, but he's probably the greatest con artist in recent times. I guess in another time, where tech didn't have this magic attributed to it, he'd be another snake oil salesman who knows? One day people will stop believing in him and his empire will come crashing down, just like Ponzi before him. It's the fate of all conmen.

>>2020
I feel like this conversation is completely missguided because when it comes to sustainability, cars of any kind fall flat when compared to trains, and bicycles. There's no point in trying to marginally reduce the impact of cars when really we just need fewer of them in general. Of course people in rural places will still need cars I suppose, so maybe in that case the debate is worth having. It seems to me that it would be a much more efficient use of resources to fund high quality cycling infrastructure and high speed rail networks.

>>2168
It is true that public transportation and rail is infinitely more sustainable but there’s def still value in exploring sustainability for motor vehicles because so much infrastructure is built around it

ok glowie it makes sense to pit the two against each other so you can continue to rule. how about stfu and let a girl rest for once

>>2018
>He seems to have made the electric car industry get off its ass
No he didn't. He purchased a company that was already doing that.

Everything you've ever thought Elon did that was good is almost definitely something that he saw someone else doing that was good and then used his money to claim that accomplishment for himself.

He literally wrote a clause in his acquisition of paypal and tesla that he be named a founder of the company. He knows full well that people like you wont look into who ACTUALLY founded his companies and made the products they sell, so he claims that glory for himself.

>>2191
This .
>Musk is a shill with money all he ever did is invest and aquire someone else's accomplishment.

Musk does SpaceX so that basically makes up for any failed business venture or innovation his other companies do.

Is there any CEO or capitalist frontman that isnt at least partially a conman?
It's not about having invented anything, it's about delivering product and manufacturing interest.
Advertising & delivery (of the things that actually matter).

My take on Elon though is, he's a bright dude and a fellow channer at heart, but he's in a fucking weird position of understanding where humanity/earth is going and not having enough influence to make the good thing happen, so he's kinda forced to embrace the absurdist run of being a human being.

But also that absurdist embrace has led to some nihilist downward spiral pathways of fuck-it-all, as in monkey abuse to further neuraLink endavours where macaques are in fucking hellworld left in experiment void puking to death in some weird pseudo-existence interacting with something that should never be. Not fucking okay. Nuclear eradication of earth is preferable to incarnating into one life of that existence. Make it fucking stop.

>>2209
No, because there can't be. Can't really elaborate without getting political, but if you look into any CEO's past, they didn't get there by hard work, they got there by cheating.

Elon musk fans have to be the most braindead people in the world.

Remember Hyperloop?

Soon enough these hyperinflated companies will just fall same as hyperloop

>>2238
Nobody remembers anything the musktard does, fortunately.