No.143
>>142I like the one that sang scatman
No.1143
>>142Not Hololive but I like Pikamee a lot
I can't understand Japanese and I prefer watching whole streams, so I appreciate that she self translates or just talks in English a lot. Also she's cute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb1BMk-MrJkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRfQsfl5hkshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9M68FvLU0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mTObJvHDek No.1152
I ended up checking them out because of this thread, I found a couple that I like (like Pikamee) but the whole idol aspect is really off putting to me. Like I saw someone mention how a vtuber was forced to apologise and take a break after her microphone picked up a male voice in the background, I just find that kind of stuff really disgusting and it makes watching them not fun.
No.1154
I said it in another thread but I'll say it here as well: I was sure that HoloEN was gonna be a big mistake, but I actually like it. The shark is my favorite.
>>1152>how a vtuber was forced to apologise and take a break after her microphone picked up a male voice in the backgroundIt's a good thing Pika only has eyes for Sonic
and comic LOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AMuuMFXonwBut yeah jokes aside, the obsessive idolfag stuff is off putting to me as well, and a lot of people say Cover is a shitty company. But as with anything I suppose it's best to try and enjoy it and ignore the fan base if it gets bad.
No.1155
>>1152Yeah, I agree the whole idol culture is pretty gross, but if it helps I'm pretty sure that's specific to hololive - other vtuber groups like VOMS (the one Pikamee is part of) and indie vtubers don't tend to project the whole "idol" image. In fact, I've seen a clip of a popular Japanese indie vtuber (one who's done a lot of hololive collabs, in fact) talking about her ex-boyfriend, which would be a big no-no for an "idol" vtuber, and it didn't cause any controversy at all.
I also think it's pretty safe to say that even within hololive EN that kind of thing wouldn't cause much controversy since most of the English-speaking audience doesn't really care about idol culture. This is kind of evidenced by the fact that Towa (the vtuber you were talking about with the controversy) specifically said that most English-speaking fans were giving her a lot of support when that happened, and she also started actively trying to learn English around that time, which I'm pretty sure isn't a coincidence - I think she probably wants to be able to fall back on streaming for English-speaking fans in case her Japanese fans ever ostracize her completely (that's just speculation on my part though)
No.1156
>>1154Lol incredible taste.
You got a sauce about comic LO?>>1155Thanks, I'm glad it's not as bad as I thought.
No.1158
>>1156I think this was the first stream where she hinted at her lolicon tendencies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfXtrruYemsAlso, here's her talking about how she's a huge fan of Kani Biimu, an artist who draws a lot of lewd loli art and loli yuri doujins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-qC8rMkROY&t=1h54m No.1186
>>142Yes and no. It depends on how much fake do I feel they are.
If some vtuber is 80% gimmicks, I usually won't have attention to watch them anyway. Not gonna lie, what they play usually doesn't interest me (I also never liked let's plays, as I strongly believe some games have to be experienced from the first person POV).
>>1143>>1154Pikamee's great. She just does what she wants to.
Great model and aesthetics as well.
>>1152Depends on the audience. Similar thing happened to one of the Nijisanji Vtubers and the chat just went with "omedetou".
When it comes to Hololive, they're more on the idol side, although for example Coco's identity and the fact she has a boyfriend are both known.
>>1154I thought Hololive EN would suck, that they'd just keep quoting some shitty JoJo memes from Reddit. I'm glad I was wrong.
I also like shark the most. Partial to Amelia being everyone's girlfriend. Takamori feels forced in my opinion, but I see why they're doing this.
>>1155The people who recall the Aloe drama while "stopping" people from discovering HoloEN's former personas are idiots, though.
Was Aloe even that popular? I sometimes think a lot of that kind of people jumped on the "aww, poor her" train without being fans prior. I mean, she barely debuted.
>>1157I didn't know Pikamee was into that, makes her even better in my eyes.
On the other hand the more vtubers realize their fans are 24/7 horny simps who read tons of doujins, the harder will they keep hitting at this. You already have Marine, Matsuri, Amelia and several others…
Or maybe all the vtuber companies just keep recruiting that kind of girls? It's no surprise girls read porn, you can go on 4chan's /h/ and ask around. What's odder is that there are high-functioning girls (well enough to get into a vtuber company) who do that… or maybe I'm overthinking this.
I like Matsuri, though. She just must be that crazy, no way it's an act.
No.1187
>>1186>Was Aloe even that popular? … I mean, she barely debuted.It doesn't take long for hololive members to get popular. Hell, most of the holoENs got over 200,000 subs within two days.
>I sometimes think a lot of that kind of people jumped on the "aww, poor her" train without being fans prior.She got doxxed and people were calling her home phone to harass her. You don't really have to be a fan of someone to think that's a shitty thing to have to go through.
>Or maybe all the vtuber companies just keep recruiting that kind of girls?I think it's less the recruiters and more the girls themselves. Like, I think the otaku type is just much more likely to want to become a vtuber in the first place.
>What's odder is that there are high-functioning girls who [read porn]Not really, trashy pornographic romance novels sell like hotcakes among a female audience. 50 Shades of Gray even became a bestseller.
No.1191
>>1187>What's odder is that there are high-functioning girls who [read porn]I think he meant lolicon
No.1192
>>1187>It doesn't take long for hololive members to get popular.That's true, they pretty much get autosubs from some people, but:
>Hell, most of the holoENs got over 200,000 subs within two days.Don't you think HoloEN is kind of special? They were very, very much awaited overseas. They speak English, so their content can be enjoyed by people from so many countries. I know people who finally jumped into the vtuber hole just because they could understand what they say. Moreover, there's only 5 of them as of now - it's much easier to start when you don't have to check hundreds out.
Artia from HoloCN had many extra subs from non-Asian people just because she streamed in English as well. HoloEN also shows people they don't even have to be from Asia in order to become hololivers.
Besides, two HoloENs were vtubers before (let's say), one of them had 800k subs without having any kind of agency behind them.
>She got doxxed and people were calling her home phone to harass her. You don't really have to be a fan of someone to think that's a shitty thing to have to go through.I agree. What I meant, though, was that a lot of non-Japanese people who weren't even her fans (there weren't even many clips translated) jumped on the "poor Aloe" train like they were their biggest fans from the very beginning.
This is the kind of people who go to the comment sections of Kiara's past persona's videos (just an example, doesn't have to be Kiara) and attempts to silence anyone who says anything about KFC by saying "DON'T YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO ALOE??????? DO YOU WANT THAT AGAIN?????".
Aloe essentially doxxed herself by leaking her unprotected IRL handle, while HoloENs deliberately made nods to their past personas. It's a completely different situation, which these people can't understand.
Surely it isn't in good taste to just say "hey, isn't that Kiara?", but these attempts to police people are just stupid and counterproductive (they draw more attention).
>Like, I think the otaku type is just much more likely to want to become a vtuber in the first place.Maybe so, can't tell. Then again, it's kinda true - the girl artists who put on amazing, inspiring work sometimes have stashes full of smut, which you wouldn't guess they do.
>Not really, trashy pornographic romance novels sell like hotcakes among a female audience. 50 Shades of Gray even became a bestseller.50SoG was kind of a fad. I don't know how screwed up it was, I haven't read nor seen it.
I'd argue that reading multiple weird doujins (NTR, loli,
egg laying, futa, Euphoria-tier stuff) is much more
degenerate than reading a sob story about some guy who has "unconventional desires".
>>1191Yeah. 50SoG is softcore compared to loli stuff.
No.1197
CITY POP SHARK!
No.1225
>>1201All the EN Minecraft streams have been very nice. It's fun watching Ame get addicted to it, I was laughing watching her repeatedly fuck up making a waterfall yesterday.
Moona (who is really good at minecraft builds) was in her chat too, I hope they collab with the ID girls, maybe on the EN MC server even.
>>1197Gura has a really really good voice
No.1231
>>1226It's nice that the VOD stayed up. I've already gotten used to trying to run youtube-dl on hololive karaoke streams the moment the stream ends, before they take it down.
No.1267
>>1231You can do it while it's live as long as you don't close youtube-dl
No.1311
Been watching some older Pikamee streams, DOOM 2016 in particular
It's really funny to me how she yells "THIS GUY AGAIN?!" every time a hell knight shows up, despite being well past the point where they're introduced as a threatening enemy.
Also here's a clip of her talking about her wooden spoon collecting obsession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTyfRdAIPAQ No.1334
>>1333Yeah, I ended up watching it. It was the first watchalong stream (from anyone) that I've watched live so far. Both of the movies were better than I expected imo.
No.1335
>>1334I liked the movies too, thought they were both very solid. They probably weren't the best choice for a watch-along since they were so dark tonally but I still enjoyed them and I think Ame got more into them as the time passed and she stopped panicking about potential yabai.
I'm really enjoying the watch-along streams as an excuse to watch a lot of these classic movies I've never seen before. Gura's The Thing has been my favorite so far of the one's I saw, both the experience and the movie itself.
No.1336
Oh the movies were Hereditary and The Witch, in case anyone who doesn't know is curious
No.1342
>>1341Watson on Oct 30: "Drugs are bad"
Watson on Oct 31: "Drugs"
No.1348
>>142From what I've seen, and I've had a lot of secondhand exposure, they seem alright but I'm never really sure if I'm genuinely entertained or if it's some biological imperative to search for companionship of the opposite sex, so I stay clear, generally.
That aside, watching people stream games I feel is inferior to simply playing the damn thing myself.
They're fine, just not for me.
No.1476
Gura mentioned doing a Christmas cookie contest in a stream the other day. Assuming she actually does I think I'm gonna try my best and make an entry. My family has a bakery that I can use and I can get fancy cookie making tips from them.
No.1537
>>1536I watched Pika, she sang some good stuff. Hearing Hello/HowAreYou was kinda nostalgic
No.1571
Gura karaoke two nights in a row! Extremely comfy.
No.1572
>>1536What's boomer karaoke? Do they sing Led Zeppelin and The Who songs?
No.1593
>>1590me and hachaamers will live together in a coffin apartment cooking insects off of a lightbulb.
No.1626
>>1625I've never really used /jp/ or the spinoffs much
Is this that Trevor person they're obsessed with?
No.1635
>>1626its t at his best yes
No.1764
>>1749It's pretty funny how she swears more and more as she dies and becomes more agitated
No.1765
>>1764The fact that she turns "piece of esto" into an insult is really cute
No.1925
>>142I love Hololive so there's that anwsered for you
No.2020
LOLI PIKAMEE
>>2019Did she really? That sucks. As nice as being an internet anime girl celebrity must be, it must also be difficult to have whole swathes of people who really want to get at you.
No.2022
>>2021Shit, I'd heard about that when it first happened, but I didn't know she was still getting harassed for it. I haven't actually seen the clip or anything, but from what I heard she didn't even actively talk about Taiwan at all, she just showed a screenshot from her Youtube analytics which listed Taiwan as a country.
No.2023
>>2021I remember the whole Taiwan debacle, you'd think it would have died down after they nuked the whole CN branch but it's lame that it hasn't. Saw that clip of her crying to Kanata so I'm glad she's getting support from her coworkers, and she has no shortage of fans who'll support her.
>>2022That's about the gist of it. Cover is a dumb company so they stupidly capitulated to the outrage by making a big apology about offending China and banning her for a few weeks and firing all their Chinese Vtubers. I feel like the saying "give an inch, take a mile" applies here. If there's still organized trolling campaigns going on, surely it would have been better for Cover to just ignore the outrage instead of giving it a reaction.
No.2028
>>2022>>2023Eh it's a sensitive topic and it makes sense they'd be pissed off
If you labelled those northern islands of Japan as belonging to Russia, or labelled Northern Ireland as part of Ireland, people in those respective places would be pissed too.
Surprised that Youtube labels Taiwan as a separate country, though. I guess it's not clear what it is, but it doesn't have a seat in the UN nor does it have participation in a bunch of international stuff so it's not a country, but it's also not de facto part of China so…?
No.2029
>>2028To be clear I don't know shit about international politics, and I can totally understand being offended or upset by something like that. But what I don't understand is punishing your talent for an honest oversight that clearly wasn't meant to offend anyone, nor do I get why you'd set up coordinated mass trolling campaigns against someone who meant no harm or offense to anyone via what they've done.
No.2030
>>2029I'm almost entirely sure that the company doing it is an attempt at damage control in the hopes that the chinks won't boycott their shit
Unfortunately it didn't work but this is pretty par for the course when it comes to companies.
No.2078
>>2077Shit. I always got the impression that GYARI took a pretty hands-off approach to managing VOMS too, so either I was wrong or whatever Monoe did was really serious.
If nothing else, what Pikamee says at around the 9:15 mark heavily implies that Monoe is planning on continuing to stream under a different name, so I hope she ends up being successful with that.
No.2084
>>2079Never heard of her, but she's cute
No.2215
>>2162The fact that she opened the pornhub links to "make sure" is the best part.
No.2232
I'm more into their brother group, Holostars. Hololive, but all-boys. They're actually far more idol-like than the current Hololive girls. While they're still counts as chaotic vtubers, they only thread on the "safe chaos" zone unlike the girls due to a backlash back then where Hololive fans were afraid their idols would have to god forbid, interact with males, because now there are male idols in HoloPro.
For Hololive, I love Nene. She's hyper, and I love it. Mori's songs are bangers, but I don't really watch her.
Outside HoloPro, I'd either watch Pikamee or Pochimaru-sensei (Ane Naru Mono/Okaasan Online author). Pikamee speaks English so she's great for people who can't speak Japanese, while for Pochimaru, it's just so chill watching her draw (also she's so proud of HoloID's Reine, whose avatar is drawn by her).
No.2233
>>2232Cool fellow Pikamee fan. I'm glad she's back to streaming.
I pretty much only watch VOMS and a few indies right now but HoloEN is cool too. Pika is my #1 though.
No.2435
I've watched a bit of Amelia and Gura, mostly as background noise, I don't mind them. I don't know Japanese and they seem like prime background noise for me so watching the Japanese ones are a bit of an issue, although I've seen small clips of them from other channels that make them.
No.2926
So apparently Coco is "graduating" at the beginning of next month. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that her personal channel has been getting a lot more subscribers lately. Maybe she wants to start focusing on that instead.
No.2935
>>2929Yes. Even without insider information in the picture, it seems pretty obvious what this was motivated by. As English speakers we generally don't see the bulk of the Chinese-speaking fallout, but it's very much there.
I do think it's worth taking solace in the fact that Coco's streams have been successful for a long time, so at the very least, her career isn't over. I find myself worrying a bit over the "vtuber bubble", but it's situations like these that provide at least a bit of assurance that it's possible for streamers to diversify after time spent vtubing.
No.2938
>>142No, vtubers are just dirty 3dpd trying to replace true anime girls
No.3081
Watching them quite a bit in recent times.
No.3174
New VOMS members are getting revealed in about 4 hours! I'm happy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV_2aBUMIJA>>3078I ended up getting my wish, she's been using classic Pika a lot more lately. I love that kettle.
No.3183
>>3174I wasn't expecting a boy, not complaining though I don't really like his design. I wonder if it will bring some fujo audience to VOMS
The water monster is very cute! As expected neither of the new members speak English but I'll still give them a watch from time to time even if I barely understand.
No.3184
>>3174I love the new designs! The guy seems a little disparate from the 3 girls, but he has a unique look. I hope both of them do well!
No.3185
>>3184me too
I'm excited to see their debuts (and for Pika to have two more people to call into her stream for support lol)
No.3197
i think vtubers are kinda cyberpunk if you think about it. They are literally using technology to hide there identity behind an avitar they control.
No.3212
Are there any that don't put on a really high pitched 'anime' voice? I like the concept but find that part unbearably annoying
No.3213
>>3212Vtubers are very diverse, so you'll have to be more specific about what you want in a streamer.
No.3215
>>3212There are a lot of them, even in corporate groups like Hololive.
