No.7060
A bit of an uncomfy blogpost.
I got laid off work at the end of January, and had trouble finding a job since.
I had a lot of free time to do some soul-searching, went through one of the best euphorias of my life, crashed down to the usual, and then the quarantine hit. As a lonely asocial NEET, I feel nothing much. I just wish I could go for a walk without the fear of contact, so nothing really changed.
I just woke up, and my muscles and throat feel sore and my nose was a little stuffed. My immune system is bad, so this is so usual for me that I don't know if I should panic.
I have constant nervous ticks where I bite my hand or rub my nose and eyes. I'm just flashing to all the times I forgot to wash my hands before making food. I'm sure I'd get my family infected, and the self-loathing for that is rough.
In bed I got a text from a job I tried for ("other candidates more qualified"). Yesterday it was a text from the government, an update on the quarantine. This feels like a bad movie. I'll try to enjoy it.
I hope you all doing well. Stay safe everyone.
No.7061
I don't do well with long periods of isolation,
I think I might lose my mind if I don't get out of the house sometime soon
No.7062
Nothing has changed for me. I'm still a shut-in neet alone in my apartment payed for by the government. I just keep playing video games and chatting with fren online. Can't wait for this shit virus to die down though. I like springs so wanna enjoy the warm and comfy weather.
No.7063
This could be the end of globalism as we know it.
It's like a gift from God.
No.7064
I still have to go to work while all my friends get to work from home, must be nice.
No.7066
>>7060Here is something I wrote out as part of considering the validity of the panic. If you work through my reasoning I think you can see I'm not irrationally dispelling anything, but feel free to critique. Image isn't meat to be entirely serious but does describe the general 'cycle' of panic. Ultimately what's happening is that governments are taking drastic measures to respond to public fear generated by the MSM, and also to respond to the health industry AND the actions of other governments. In other words, for the most part the shutdowns are a result of the contagion of fear, rather than a reasoned approach. I could be wrong, but I remember how things were after 911 - all of a sudden the most hysterical claims were treated seriously, you had government officials talking about suitcase nukes and a 100 year war, etc.
>Australia has a population of about 25 million people.>Every year in Australia (based on figures from 2017), there were 160,909 deaths registered.>That's about 404 deaths per day.
>Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province, has a population of about 11 million people.>Hubei province has a population of about 58.5 million people.
>For the sake of simplicity, let's just say that Wuhan has a population "roughly" half of that of the entire country of Australia. We are off by 1.5 million, but just for the sake of illustration, let's just say that it's about half.
>If we halve the number of deaths registered in Australia every year, we get about 80,454 deaths per year - the number of deaths we could expect in Australia annually if Australia had a population about the size of Wuhan. Now, we are comparing quite disparate things here - deaths over a large country vs deaths in a single city, both places are quite different in terms of location, climate, society, culture, government, demographics, etc. but it's not an unreasonable comparison. If anything, based on your knowledge of Australia vs China, isn't it reasonable to assume that if anything this is likely UNDER-estimating the number of deaths in Wuhan per year? Anyway…
>80,454 deaths per year is about 220 deaths per day.
>As of March 17, it's been 76\77 days since the start of the year (the outbreak may have started earlier, but this is when deaths started to be recorded in China [there weren't any\many deaths before this]), so during that time, WITHOUT the COVID-19 virus, we could expect 16,940 deaths over a 77 day period!
>Apparently as of March 17, 3,226 have died in China as a whole from COVID-19.>3,226 deaths from COVID-19 out of the EXPECTED deaths of 16,940 is 19%.>So COVID-19 deaths IN ALL OF CHINA don't even make up a QUARTER of the deaths that would have occurred anyway during that period in Wuhan!
>Now you might say "sure but aren't the COVID-19 deaths ON TOP of the number of deaths we'd expect anyway?" No. The primary age-groups being killed by COVID-19 are the very age groups most represented in the number of expected deaths in general. COVID-19 may kill a portion of people under 70, but the vast majority of those its killing were set to die from SOMETHING pretty much over the next 5 years or so. The average life expectancy in China is 76.25 years. Over 50% of COVID-19 deaths are in people over 70! The deaths by age for COVID-19 are approximately the same as deaths by age for all causes!
>Now you might also say "but China took drastic action to prevent COVID-19 spreading, if it didn't take that drastic action, the number of deaths would have been much higher! So your argument would have no basis!" Based on the continuing spread of the virus, we see pretty much a similar deaths by age spread everywhere else. No.7067
>>7066
>So governments around the world are now taking drastic action, disrupting the lives of practically everyone on Earth. Ask yourself how many hours, since the outbreak began, have you spent thinking about\reading about\hearing about the virus? Now consider that on a wide scale, how many hours of productive human activity are being lost to this, and in exchange for what?? Also consider that governments are actively limiting free movement and shutting down many people's ability to make a basic living, the hysteria has made shopping for basic goods difficult for most people. With increasing shut downs and quarantines, many people will lose their income. All for what? Maybe every life is precious, but consider the statistics above - does extending the lives of a relatively small number of people who are going to die in 5 years or so anyway really justify disrupting everyone else's ability to live freely?
>At the start of this outbreak in China, there was much hysteria and conversely attempts to dispel or contain the fear and hysteria. The public reaction of fear and hysteria DRIVES most of these policies. There are some claims that at one point when rumours spread that pets could spread the disease that some people abandoned pets or even tossed them out of windows of high-rise apartments - I don't know how true these PARTICULAR claims are, but you have to consider the possibility that government action is driven by public fear. That overzealous agencies, lobbyists, WHO officials, pandemic "experts", the mainstream media, the medical industry, etc are all 'invested' to some degree in stoking public fear and irrationality. There is also a class element to this - many people exist in occupations where they can AFFORD to take breaks or work from home; in my experience here in Australia many people are seeing this as a good thing for them, they get time off from having to go into 'the office' - so huge numbers of people have an incentive to go along with shutdowns because it's like a little holiday, while other people like my 80 year old barber who has been charging the same rate of $10 for a haircut for the past decade, will possibly face weeks or months without an income, as people may be afraid of either GIVING it to him or CATCHING it.End. All I know is that here in Australia so far all the deaths have been of people about 75+. Not great for them but as my stats show, huge numbers of people die every year from other causes, including flu. I'm not trying to be callous or dismissive of peoples suffering - but the actions taken by governments and the MSM stuff has led to a complete shutdown of society in much of the world. Supermarkets are bare here, people are going to lose jobs, the whole situation is crazy. I've also noticed a huge number of people seem to be very invested in the fear, as if many people WANT to feel and be afraid, and share that fear with others, rather than step back and look at context. Part of this is based on a belief that people in authority must know what they're doing and must be acting rationally, which then acts to 'confirm' that authority.
No.7068
>>7066>>7067The contagion rate is exponential. Medical capabilities are linear. That's all you need to know.
Younger people aren't dying in massive quantities because they're on mechanical ventilators. Half of the people in critical conditions in Western Europe are under 50. They're only alive because they're hooked up to a machine; and the instant medical capabilities are overloaded by the number of patients, like in Lombardy, Italy or Alsace, France, medical staff will have to choose who gets the mechanical ventilation and who doesn't. The ones who don't will die.
No.7069
>>7067Even with severe measures things are going to get a lot worse than they are now. I am not against spreading fear because it makes people take this pandemic seriously.
No.7070
>>7068
>Younger people aren't dying in massive quantities because they're on mechanical ventilators>Half of the people in critical conditions in Western Europe are under 50.I haven't seen this evidence, can you provide me a source?
I'll bow out for a while after asking this question, to avoid derailing the thread completely and making it very uncozy.
No.7073
>>7067The world is ruled by older people. Makes sense that they go in panic mode and increase all the measures and restrictions. The problem is, people up to age 30 with good immune system that have no symptomps but they spread the virus.
No.7076
>>7075>>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/business/masks-china-coronavirus.html>>China, the manufacturer of half the world's masks, bought up most of the global supply of n95 masks back in January and has seized control of its mask factory output
>Germany and the Czech Republic last week banned the export of face masks and other protective equipment. In Italy, where the government has placed nearly all of the population on lockdown since Monday, masks and other protective medical supplies may not leave the country without authorization.I feel like this is a very dishonest article. Yes China aren't exporting masks, but neither are Italy, Germany, or the Czech republic.
>The Chinese government has begun some shipments to other countries as part of aid packages. It donated 250,000 masks last month to Iran, one of the countries hardest hit by the epidemic, and 200,000 to the Philippines. This week it said it would send five million masks to South Korea and export 100,000 respirators and two million surgical masks to Italy.The article later says that China is sending 2 million masks to Italy. So leading with a headline that they've bought them all up and are hoarding them is blatantly unfair.
Be wary of news like this guys, it's easy to forget even big news outlets can and do misrepresent facts.
But you are right that we'll medical supplies struggle. A study here in UK said that even in the best case for infection rates, we would be at 8 times the health service capacity.
My immediate concern rn is the supermarket shelves emptying, which is frustrating because there's no real need for it, we aren't increasing consumption rates much by being at home all the time, and assuming the logistics chains can cope the food supply rate should hold steady enough. So buying up tons of food has little benefit, but when food starts dissapearing from shelves other people start doing it too. My only hope is that eventually stockpiles fill and the people buying in bulk end up just buying food at their consumption rate again.
Seems stupid for people to be going hungry for no material reason, especially medical staff getting off shifts. We gotta work together at times like this. Look after each other sushis.
No.7103
>>7077lachesism
n. the desire to be struck by disaster—to survive a plane crash, to lose everything in a fire, to plunge over a waterfall—which would put a kink in the smooth arc of your life, and forge it into something hardened and flexible and sharp, not just a stiff prefabricated beam that barely covers the gap between one end of your life and the other.
No.7104
I was meant to have exams. Now that the teachers and boards have to work together to come out with grades I don't know whether to be relieved or not as I have been making significant improvements lately which aren't reflected in mock exams.
I've been taking the opportunity to catch up on stuff that I haven't done because I've been so stressed about the exams that are no longer happening: reading books, learning new skills, writing an album…
No.7123
I haven't gone outside for… 3 months? Before the Covid-19 pandemic hit, I was in a semester break for 7 weeks, and just 2 days before the first day of the semester, they announced break extension for the pandemic. I lost a lot of my socialising skills due to have only interacted with some family members and online chats. I basically live in the middle of a forest, so, all the worse.
So here I am, in sushigirl, bored. Guess I'll continue browsing while waiting for my online class to start.
No.7125
>>7123Living in a forest must be comfy, at least.
No.7126
Nothing really changed. The virus just made my employment even more secure by giving us a shitload more work, and my free time defaults to lounging about at home anyway.
No.7127
It is absolutely affecting me. I've always been a very gregarious person. I have almost no close friends and the people I used to come into contact with daily know very little about my past and personal life, but a lot of people know of me because I'm the guy that talks to absolutely everyone. I think that's why I like imageboards. Its literally talking to strangers just for the hell of it with nothing to gain, which is something I enjoy. Conversation for the sake of conversation, and with the covid I've been deprived of that, and I can tell that everyone else is too because they're starting to act like I did even before the quarantine; cornering people at at the grocery store, in lines, anywhere they can talk just to get something off their chest, because people need that. They need to get things off their chest, and not just the big issues. The little things are much more numerous and pile up to a burden which is much more pressing than any one suppressible grievance. Like animals alerted to the foreshocks of an earthquake, we can tell something is wrong but can't quite pinpoint the source because they're so minute. What we're not realizing is that complaining about traffic this morning mattered. Stubbing your toe and having someone to react with you mattered. Asking what your coworker had for lunch mattered. Its unsettling people on a subconscious level, and you're going to see a lot of them return to society broken.
No.7130
Whilist I'm not the outgoing guy, I started talking to a girl before quarantine started, we kept our contact for the first weeks but after a big fight we stopped talking as frequently or as romanticly as we did, any tip for this love lost sushi roll sushis?
No.7132
>>7130If you wanna keep things going with your interest the safest advice would be for you to apologize. It's a stressful time for the grill too so you should give her lots of space. Last thing you want to do is push here away with a whole slew of messages. She might not feel like talking to you right now.
It's early in the relationship, try and keep it easy. You guys obviously hit it off before corona-chan came to visit. Try changing the topic or asking her something empathetic, like how her day was.>>7130
No.7144
I usually sit in my room and don't leave my house for seems on end anyway so nbd. just don't want my folks to die
No.7145
>>7141What do you do for work that hasn't been affected by things shutting down?
Personally, this has been very convenient for me. I've been trying to escape the social contracts that I've built up for quite some time now but really have a hard time doing it. Now, though, I can say "sorry social distancing!" and I'm working a one week on, one off schedule. It's pretty great. Sucks that something like this had to come in the wake of the health of others. While I may be growing tired of being around other people, I don't wish ill on anyone.
No.7149
I've been noticing that a lot of people are now a lot more subtle when they have to sneeze or cough. It is cute, but also a bit sad at the same time.
No.7170
I really like working from home. Being able to just wake up and get to work immediately is so much better then having to take the 30 minute bus ride to and from the office everyday. I really hope I don't get pulled back to the office after the quarantine ends. That said, I feel like when I was a neet just sitting at home in my PJs. I was planning to focus on my hobbies but I've just gotten too lazy. I also haven't left the house in weeks since I stockpiled food just before the quarantine which is useful but I'm getting a little sick of rice and beans…
>>7127I get what you're saying. I'm not a talkative person but even just seeing people at stores and restaurants was nice. That little stuff mattered.
No.8702
Cases are spiking where I'm at so it's likely this forced hikkification isn't ending anytime soon. I love the solitude but I really wish I'd spend my time more productively. So many things I want to get better at but after all these months I have nothing to show for it. Heres to the next 5 or so months.
No.8705
I work in the health industry and I've had to wear a mask all the time. So much so I already put it on by second nature even in situations where it's not required. It sucks.
No.9274
>>9272same
not having others to come over every so often has ruined my ability to stay on top of overall organization and cleanliness in my apartment
why bother cleaning when theres no one to clean for
No.9490
>>7059Work in a "critical" industry that isn't public facing and never went out much anyway so basically nothing has changed for me. Only difference occured at my weekly shop really.
Since work is the same I haven't changed my hobby habits. Though when it started I stopped running and I haven't got back to it yet to my shame.
>What are you thinking about?I've been thinking that it feels like none of the information we get is trustworthy and there's so many different stories going around that it's just total chaos. Also the government is talking mandatory vaccinations which makes me very sus. I have no problem with vaccinations in general but I have a really bad gut feeling about this one.
No.9491
>>7063This post confuses me.
No.12095
wonder how my schools covid plan will actually play out. They're making the unvaccinated get weekly covid tests. School is offering testing, but it's limited and all the other test sites are drive through+30 mins away, out of luck if you don't have a car. Most tests take a while so you have to get it mon-wens, hope you don't have work, so the 48-72 wait doesn't cross over the due date. If you miss you're school account will be on watch and if you miss again further action will be taken.
You could say it's what the un vacinated deserve, but they consider people on their first shot unvaccinated. That means people who started their two shotter late or want to get it after school starts have a whole month of being treated like their unvaccinated. I don't have the time to drive to testing spots every week, so I'm literally making my vaccine choice on which gets me the card fastest
No.12100
Nothing really changed for me, except my gym closed so I've been putting on more weight. I tried to keep up my workouts at home but I live in a pretty cramped environment so I don't really have enough space, also I just can't get in the mood to workout at home.
But other than that, I work at a halfway house so we can't really shut down, and my "hobbies" just consist of consuming media so nothing has really changed for me.
No.12101
Maybe my standards were to low, but I actually think the vaccine roll out has exceeded my expectations. 70% of adults and 60% of all people having their vaccine, which is still growing, is pretty good for a so called anti-vaxx country. Plus a good chunk of the unvaccinated aren't anti-vax, but most likely to lazy to get a shot, a bit hesitant not fully anti, or unable to find the time. The US vaccine rate just feels like it's growing slower than stagnating compared to other countries.
Not to be cynical, but the whole "just get the damn vaccine", unvaxxed dying on their bed, and so on was probably just filler for a slow news day. Whenever something interesting actually happens anti-vaxers are no longer covered. My main issue with this coverage is that they mis represent the un vaxed as anti instead of hesitant. A lot of them would change if you talked to them or played into their beliefs a bit, "drug companies are evil, but…", instead of speaking down and trying to own them. Also they air to many debunkings; most vax hesitant people I know didn't get their info from conspiracy sites, but instead the msm coverings anti-vaxers and 'debunking' them. For people who'll "do anything to get people vaccinated" they aren't doing much besides being smug.
No.12325
>>12313I had that feeling last month. Now Mask mandates are back, folks are preaching to me even harder about either the threat of vaccine aids or delta danger.
I'm sick of these dichotomies and want everyone to get off their fucking pseud high horse and shut the fuck up. Just shut the goddamn fuck up.
No.12326
>>12325learn to tune it out fren.
No.12344
>>12316it probably became a pandemic precisely because it has a low death rate. Hard for a virus to spread when the host is dead.
No.12349
It really hasn't affected my daily life at all.
I never planned on working to maintain a society which I absolutely dislike.
If all goes to hell planning to be living like uncle Ted
No.12350
>>12313viruses don't exist
vaxx were invented and are produced by joos
vaxx passports and all countries signing liability waivers
prove in my book that vaxx are a lie
even if it is real which it isn't
I refuse to follow the herd even if it means death.
No.12352
>>12350It's not real;
and if it's real it's constructed;
and if it's actually natural I don't care about it
I've never seen one person include all those stages in one post
No.12353
>>7059>How has this affected your daily life? How are you adapting (or coping, depending on how you feel about it)? i am spending a lot more time inside now and studying through the internet finally gives me an opportunity to slack off with no consequences. i can still go outside to take walks too, so it doesn't affect me negatively at all
>Are you picking up any new hobbies, or doubling down on existing ones?unfortunately neither, because the fact that i have to work still doesn't give me much of a chance to do anything but play vidya and browse the internet more. i'm not complaining though, i don't feel the need to be productive all the time. i might try to pick up chinese soon though, as i'm wrapping up my english education next year (esl here)
why chinese? because 20% of all content on the internet is in chinese and i'm interested in that country's politics, culture and people. i might try to live there one day, seems like a comfy country once you look past the msm fearmongering.
>What are you thinking about?thinking about how i hate that the coof is gonna end and i'm gonna have to go back to being miserable and tired. i know it's very selfish of me, but uni and work enviornments put a tremendous strain on my physical and mental wellbeing. i hate that society exists to squeeze out as much productivity as it can from the majority of people so that corporations can take it all without even providing us with any kind of material insecurity. we're literally starting to live in a cyberpunk dystopia
No.12355
>>12353how do you feel about the great reset
you might never go back to work or school again
No.12356
>>12355it's probably gonna be another big meme where billionaire philathropists get together to talk about how people need help and then do nothing
i would be amazed if some common sense economic reform came out of it to make our lives a bit more stable but once again it's probably gonna be nothing but empty platitudes
No.12357
>>12356It's definitely not philanthropic
I don't know why you would take something like that at face value.
No.12376
The FDA live stream on the vaccine booster just got wild. It's not unexpected though. Two FDA vaccine directors had a protest retirement over currently unknown issues and the FDA and WHO have been slowly getting more irritated over the booster requirements. Their reasons are they rather focus on the unvaccinated, due to personal reasons or 3rd world poverty, and little benefit coming from a third dose unless your severely at risk. Also they're frustrated over lack of data, only booster data is on the severely old meaning affects and risks for youths is unknown. They aren't against the booster, but they wait more unless you're at risk.
This is weird to see because all the "MaxVax, Listen to the government and science no matter what" types have just turned against the FDA. Covid has grown beyond science and become an unstoppable ideological bullet
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34MVideo link for the curious statnews is writing live summaries every 30 mins.
No.12377
>>12376Unrelated, but why the fuck is the waiting room music cowboy western?
No.12474
Wonder how patient autonomy will be viewed after covid because people are slowly getting sick of people making 'bad choices' with it. Patient autonomy is a persons ability to choose what happens to them medically, unless they're not mentally capable of, regardless if what they're doing is 'right or wrong'. Most western countries believe in this heavily, besides a few hot button issues, meaning people in those countries can do stuff like rejected the vaccine or go against a recommend choice of treatment.
As a backlash against anti-vaxxers people are beginning to reject total autonomy or want a more rounded view witch accounts for those affect by an autonomous person. Patient autonomy is to powerful, its main problem is that disorders with high non compliance rates are free to run with it, so I could see this rejection playing out well. On the downside the hate against it is less based of ethical though and more populist "don't do what we deem bad".
This was inspired by that story about a wife getting the hospital to give her comatose husband ivermectin. It was actually standard fair in bioethics; 1. patient comatose, so autonomy transfered to family 2. Patient autonomy overrides doctors rec., but people were acting like ot was something highly illegal because she was doing something deemed "stupid". It was stupid, but not against standard ethics and protocol.
No.12663
>>7059I live in a place with vaccine mandates. My life has gotten significantly worse over the past 2 years. I have one more chance to move to another country. If it doesn't happen, I have very few options left.
No.12757
How many long covid suffers actually have 'long covid'? I don't doubt it exists, but a lot of the complaints sound like people with pre-existing un-diagnosed disorders, hormone and vitamin defects sound most common, who blame their vague symptoms on covid. Along with that the post online align with severe health anxiety symptoms, unexplained symptoms that can be linked to anxiety and obsessions over health. Finally, the idea I'm most iffy on, a small chunk could just have fallacious disorder. Diseases charged with cultural sympathy, aids, cancer, and broken legs as an example, often attract fakers. Long haul covid is like a magnet for them because of all the attention they'll get.
