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 No.2465

a few years ago i was pretty into anime. i had figurines and posters, and had the patience to keep up with airing stuff too. but since around 2013 i just haven't really had the patience to watch anime anymore. i tried going back to a show i really liked, haibane renmei, but this time the flaws of the show (i.e. the second half) really stood out to me a lot more.

and while i still really like manga, i feel like i dont have the same high opinion of the industry as a whole. i'm not one of those miyazaki type anti-moe snobs. i actually really like a lot of cute SoL stuff, but i feel like a lot of the stuff i read nowadays is more entertaining than artistically profound. could a work as good as YKK come out in today's environment? i like the mangaka's new stuff like Kotonoba Drive, but it seems so rare nowadays. maybe it's just not being scanlated. even stuff that is a bit deeper like shojo shumatsu ryoko seems like yuribait.

i get that there has always been low quality trash. maybe it was always this way, and it just took me this long to realise it.

or maybe i'm just being a hipster, now that anime is a bit more mainstream than it used to be.

i suppose its natural that tastes and values change over time, but it's a bit sad when i realise how much time i poured into this interest. did i really waste all this time on something so trite? i'm at the point where i can't remember what drew me to it in the first place.

anyone else had any similar experiences?

 No.2466

>>2465
In absolute terms, the amount of artistically profound, "objectively good" anime and manga is about the exact same number while the amount of lowest-common denominator mediocre works increases exponentially along with the popularization of the medium. Consequently, the amount of "objectively good" stuff seems ever rarer.

>maybe it's just not being scanlated

That's what I'm thinking as well. Even something as popular as yakuza stay-at-home husband took months to be noticed in the west, and it's published in the same free web manga site as shoujo shuumatsu ryokou and wass even prominently featured. I can't help but think scan efforts these days are increasingly dependent on western e-celebs/camwhores stumbling upon something on their twitter feed. But even before all this, so many manga only ever got a focus on after getting adapted into anime.

I, however, am easily entertained so I haven't grown disillusioned so far. It helps that I don't watch seasonal anime like it's an obligation (I've gone so far as skipping whole seasons that had anime I thought interesting from their premises).

 No.2467

>>2465
>but since around 2013 i just haven't really had the patience to watch anime anymore.

Just don't watch the seasonals. It's completely fine to skip them and watch things at your own pace.

>but i feel like a lot of the stuff i read nowadays is more entertaining than artistically profound.


Can't say for manga, but if we're to talk about anime, it doesn't happen that often. Closest I can recall is this season's Yesterday wo Utatte, which looks starkly different than anything by that studio (Doga Kobo) and most anime that are coming out. Uzumaki will also be getting a proper adaptation in monochrome, that alone being a filter for most people.

>shojo shumatsu ryoko seems like yuribait


I don't really feel this vibe. I know what you mean, it's just that it's not a show where you'd really want the girls to kiss (like in Hibike! Euphonium or something).

>i get that there has always been low quality trash. maybe it was always this way, and it just took me this long to realise it.


Is nowadays anime trash? Both yes and no.

Yes, because there definitely were more cool looking OVAs. The closest thing to an OVA nowadays would be a web anime, and even these don't fit the bill completely.
There's like one studio that isn't very afraid to experiment (Science SARU) and that's pretty much it.
The creators of Serial Experiments Lain have admitted that their series couldn't possibly have been created nowadays, IIRC.

No, because there's always been trash, even among the OVAs - stuff like Vampire Sensou or The Samurai. It's quite hard to watch these series in the first place nowadays, because they're hard to find.
Besides, the tech one needs to make anime got REALLY affordable. There are lots of indie anime authors and talented animated, who joined the industry just because had a drawing tablet and learned a lot.
Animators like these are usually described as "webgen", https://blog.sakugabooru.com/glossary/webgen/


Fun fact: the studio behind the first OVA of YKK does one anime this season, Kakushigoto. It looks pretty good. Of course it doesn't look as good as YKK did, but that's partially because they were trying to emulate the style of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei.

>i'm at the point where i can't remember what drew me to it in the first place.


There's always something you haven't seen, even if you were to go back to some series from 10-20 years. There even are people who discuss these shows to this day.

>>2466

>But even before all this, so many manga only ever got a focus on after getting adapted into anime.


It's quite sad that some anime are made exclusively to be ads for the manga, in a way.
Fortunately, sometimes it's unrelated, like in Eizouken's case. The studio came across comments saying "Eizouken would look cool if that studio did it" and they actually went with it. The manga sales got boosted very fast (it was relatively unknown prior to that AFAIK) and just some time later Viz got the rights to publish it in the US.

 No.2468

Was never much into anime but I spent years learning japanese to get into VNs/nukige/doujin music. Eventually I got sick of touhou remixes and I don't have time to spend beating myself off 5 hours a day anymore.

I think it's natural to take up new interests and move on when you've seen all there is to see.

 No.2469

>>2468
What have you moved on to?

 No.2470

Gib Japanese gf pls

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 No.2472

>>2467
>There's like one studio that isn't very afraid to experiment (Science SARU) and that's pretty much it.

I was a huge Yuasa fan for ages, it seemed like everything he worked on was great. But I haven't really liked anything he's done since Yoru wa Mijikashi Aruke yo Otome back in 2017. Lu Over the Wall from the same year felt rushed, as Did Ride Your Wave from 2020. Has he lost the magic touch? Compare the stuff he's doing nowadays to this scene from Mind Game–it just seems a lot less ambitious.

 No.2473

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>>2471
I don't care for the website itself, it was the only one with a definition of "webgen".

>>2472
There's one more Yuasa show in which you can see his influence – Devilman Crybaby from 2018. It really had Kemonozume vibes.

Unfortunately, Yuasa's and Choi's studio (Science SARU) started making "family-friendly" anime in the vibe of Ghibli (so yeah, the two movies you listed). Eizouken was quite good, but it definitely wasn't a typical Yuasa show.
Willing to bet that's part of the reason why the guy's taking a break from the industry (he effectively resigned from being SARU's CEO after Eizouken).
He's still working on that Inu-Oh thing… the premise doesn't speak to me very much, so we'll see how that one turns out.

 No.2480

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i feel like this is reflected in the subject matter of a lot of shows. isn't the industry oversaturated with either isekai type fantasy shows or high school SoL or drama shows? not that these settings are inherently bad, but is there anything with a more original setting or premise, e.g. paranoia agent, texnolyze, cowboy bebop

maybe its more the tone than the subject-matter. shows these days seem like they're aimed more at being entertaining or relaxing rather than actually exploring interesting ideas…

but i'd love to be proved wrong! what are the most interesting and original shows/manga/whatever that you've seen in recent years?

 No.2481

>>2480
>isn't the industry oversaturated with either isekai type fantasy shows or high school SoL or drama shows?

The situation with isekai got bad enough the major light novel competitions stopped accepting isekai entries.

I think drama and SoL won't stop being popular.

There has also been a major peak in yuri shows recently, for whatever reason.

>a more original setting or premise


I've been hearing Made in Abyss was pretty interesting, still haven't seen it, though. It's supposedly darker than anything that's come out recently, is said to have a good worldbuilding. I think I'll watch it soon.

Houseki no Kuni was pretty good. I don't think I know a show with a similar premise.

Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight is, to some extent, a SoL Utena, but still interesting enough.

As weird as it may sound, Kemono Friends was a huge surprise. The worldbuilding in that show is stellar.

So yeah, that's probably it for the past years.
Not a very good outlook, truly enough. That's why I personally usually don't watch currently airing shows. There's a plethora of good stuff I struggle to catch up to and it doesn't seem to run dry, fortunately.



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