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Transhumanism is shit. Uploading ones self to a computer will leave them open to control by megacorps and shit. Swapping your robust human body parts for "superior" robot parts will leave you to get shut down for having thoughtcrimes against your government or glorious corporate overlords.
>but what about muh open source?
even if an open source team were good enough to connect parts to your nervous system how the hell would that be secure or safe?


I want to a Motoko


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SELinux activated !


I already decided I'd only upload my brain if I was dying, so I wouldn't waste my life with megacorp shit while still being able to enjoy it later on.
>Swapping your robust human body parts for "superior" robot parts will leave you to get shut down for having thoughtcrimes against your government
Though that's something I think about very often. I would love to have robot parts, if they ever become good, but I'm also scared shitless of the implications that it has.


Yeah also you needs parts that you can fix yourself. If not you're also tied to your manufacturer.

robotic limbs sound dope tho


Did you deliberately forget biopunk?


Tbh the fundamental problem with a lot of stuff like this is that people view rebellion/revolution as something catastrophic, rather than essentially a safety valve. For example, there's a great book, "The Moral Economy of the Peasant" that analyzes peasant rebellions in southeast Asia as being primarily caused by disruptions to equilibrium in subsistence level economies. So basically, people are constantly worried about food shortages, governments start taxing them without an eye to how that affects subsistence, they rebel, no taxes. Not an ideal system but simple and cyclical system. I think with the current system that we're all more or less living under, we're definitely in a plane above the subsistence level, but there's really no release valve for a lot of irrationalities. So the government can fuck up your healthcare, archive your internet, fuck with your computer, crash the economy, whatever, but there's nothing to stop them from doing any of that. Transhumanism's just going to make it worse.

What happens when we all become smartfridges? I dunno, death cults probably.


don't we have death cults already? I think now that we have a relatively more advanced social, political, and economic system, these cyclical "revolutions" will most likely be staged in the very venues that make things so complex. I think we already see that on the internet, in the turbulent global economy, and in the most educated levels of our society. I mean think about it, the US elected a meme for president because they were frustrated with the alternative.


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Surrender your flesh, it is a relic and must be replace by better systems. It is moral imperative that you comply or you must be vaporized less you hinder our progress or denied future generation the gifts we give you today. The society you live in, the economy you suffer under and government you are ruled by will be destroyed or reformed into a more efficient means. You will soon learn to appreciate the singularity and newfound reality of pure pleasure. We also have a sick collection of happy hardcore and provide augmented reality waifus that act as life coaches and lovers.


>these cyclical "revolutions" will most likely be staged in the very venues that make things so complex
You mean within institutions of power (governments, banks, companies, etc.) like individual actors or factions or do you mean like mass movements expressed culturally or something else?


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>it is a relic and must be replace by better systems
I don't know about that sushi roll. Flesh is really cool; it fixes itself (to a point), and all it really needs is food and water. You can have your highly flammable battery pack if you want, but I'll stick to the nori rolls and rice balls if you don't mind.


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What if I said your girlfriend can look like these?


Jokes on you I'll never have a girlfriend


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Transhumanism is also social. Cultural and intellectual technologies transform the qualia of human experience.


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when the brain is uploaded the body dies


The age of cyborgs has already begun.

>what are pacemakers

>what are cochlear implants

Its not a matter of if it should happen or not because its already here. The real question (which admittedly you are alluding too) is how to implement it in a way that is safe and ethical. Unfortunately I dont really have an answer to that.

I think partially though, we need to address the education gap with technology. If we reach a point where we are capable of upgrading ourselves "just because" and not for life-saving or medical reasons, the general public needs a very clear understanding of how it works, how to install/deinstall the modification, and how to produce it. Just like how food companies have strict legal guidelines on transparency of ingredients, we will need similar for body modifications.

I think this is imperative for machine intelligence too. The general public needs to understand "the" ai, and vice versa. Information gaps occurring in everyday life breed problems.


The problem with this discussion, as with most other tech-unsafe discussions, is that there is a direct advantage to using it even if it's unsafe or morally dubious. It's like saying guns bad because now people can kill each other much more easily or surveillance bad because privacy, well there's a direct advantage to people with the power to change things if they use it and a direct disadvantage if they don't. It's inevitable.


feel like the people against cyber-transcending are the same ones that claim space is empty and we're all that's here.


I think transhumanism sucks mainly because I don't really see it as very necessary. Isn't simple human life enough? Do I really need to have a bunch of cool bionic parts attached to me? I feel like the negative possibilities out-way the possible positives, simply due to the positives not really being necessary, outside of medical purposes. I've had the same thoughts about tech in general, like if we really need computers or cars, even, if we just kept simple, smaller, or more traditional (in terms of tech and production) societies, but I feel like that would put me in a fringe that I have not done enough research to be in.
I would be lying if I didn't think cyberpunk stuff was cool, though, so it's not like I'm super against stuff like this, but I just don't get people who are super into it and want to progress so far. I can't look at a future society of cyborg-humans flying through space with brain-upload technology in a good light for some reason. I tend to idolize the simple pastures more I suppose (despite the shortcomings of living like that).


From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel, I aspired to the purity of the blessing machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass that you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you, But I am already saved. For the machine is immortal.

Even in death I serve the Omnissiah.


Transhumanism isn't the problem. Poor security is. Granted, having electronic implants in your brain DOES provide more vectors of attack on your person, but I'd imagine in the future there would be sufficient protection against such things.


I'll risk it. I don't want to die.


I don't want to risk messing with my being. I want to die before it becomes a thing.


there is an even bigger problem with this attitude than has been expressed, it's amazing to me how people dont seem to grasp this. Consciousness is not software running on hardware. The brain is not a computer. You cannot "upload" your consciousness, nor do we have any reason to believe that consciousness would even function in any way similar to what we have now when seperated from the body.

Firstly, The mind is not located in the brain. Just as one example, the bacteria in your gut secrete hormones which influence your thoughts (https://www.nature.com/articles/nrn3071 for more information research "gut-brain axis"). That's not to even mention the rest of your body, your immune system, vascuar system, limbs etc etc.
Secondly, the brain is not an electrical system. It is an electro-chemical system, and likely more chemical than you think. Uploading your brain makes about as much sense as "uploading" your liver, or heart. The only way to do it would be to physically model its entire operations, and even then, a simmulated heart wouldn't be of much use. We have no reason to believe that the same wouldn't apply to the brain.
Thirdly, the brain is not a computer. This is one of my pet peeves. The "computer" model of the brain is a METAPHORE. Not an accurate description of consciousness. (https://www.infoq.com/articles/brain-not-computer/#:~:text=The%20brain%20is%20a%20biological,not%20to%20a%20malfunctioning%20brain https://aeon.co/essays/your-brain-does-not-process-information-and-it-is-not-a-computer https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/feb/27/why-your-brain-is-not-a-computer-neuroscience-neural-networks-consciousness)
If it were possible, that would be great. But unfortunately, the entire science fiction concept is based on missunderstandings and half truths which serve to tell good stories, not to represent reality. What's far more realistic than a simple uploading would be some sort of advanced BCI, perhaps with implants or non invasively. Perhaps even with this we could enhance our own intelligence with AI or similar. Personally, I'd be down to replace a limb or two with some cybernetics as long as it wasn't connected to the internet. Maybe I'd do a brain implant if it was FOSS and I was sure of the security, even though it's probably a bad idea the cool factor is very tempting. Although when it comes to human enhancement, I think we will see it done via gene editing first.


Becoming a robot sucks, become a mutant chimera instead!

Fr, mech aug has more downsides than bio aug does.

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