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 No.446

When the economy tanks, more people go to trade schools or study STEM as opposed to art. Studying art is seen as a bad financial decision. What kinds of cultural effects do you think this has, when art and literature are seen as frivolous?

My mom studied art because it's supposed to be enriching, even though it's not all about career goals. I was basically forced into a STEM major for economic reasons. It has a very clear career path, but that's about it.

Or do you think some good things can come of it?

 No.447

I don't things like art and culture have become frivolous, there's just a higher saturation of people with those skills now, and they have never been in as high demand as technology related jobs. Society simply values those skills more. Technological improvement exponentially helps people achieve things more efficiently. The effects are felt more immediately. I guess capitalism's drive to efficiency can be blamed for a lot of this.

Plus, education is often a massive investment, and one must consider the returns on that investment: the opportunity cost for going to school versus the next best alternative. Although an arts degree may be enriching, it wont always put food on the table, and you may have been better off just practising art in your spare time while working a job. Again, this is a systemic problem.

 No.448

They aren't really frivolous in my opinion, just not a good idea. When people can barely afford to eat, they won't be paying for art. They won't be commissioning murals or attending concertos. They simply have to pay for the most important things like food and housing.

I think paying money for art and entertainment is representative of how wealthy and healthy a country is. When people have enough money that paying for art doesn't bother them, they are doing well financially. I really don't think people who can't afford art should spend money on it, but that doesn't make art unimportant. Hence why I am a STEM major, art minor.

 No.449

>>447
>Studying art is seen as a bad financial decision.
That's because it is. As the other sushi said, it's hugely over saturated. The majority of people who do it end up with really low incomes. The only people who do well out of it are those who are both extremely dedicated and also talented. Even these people will in general find themselves in secure positions with good income, but that high position matches a pretty normal position in stem.

Historically it was mostly the upper echelons like nobility that would do any art because they could afford it.
There's also factors in each area of art but I won't ramble about that.

Finally, one thing most people don't like to admit is that unless you've been dedicated to something since a young age you will probably never be able to compete with those who have. Especially after school years pass. You're just in hobbyist territory then.

 No.450

I studied art. Yes it is a terrible decision and I regret it every day of my life. Completely useless from any financial standpoint. You're welcome sushiroll

 No.456

I appreciate art but it's definitely a bit of a saturated thing nowadays. Stuff like drawing animu & mango, as an example, it's almost a staple of the otaku culture, wanting to draw and publish their own mango.

You really have to stand out to pursue a career as an artist, especially freelance. The modern, effiency focused, capitalism driven world cares about results (as sushi >>447 mentioned); you must deliver them faster and better, cheaper than the others.

Unfortunately, to join say, an animation studio, going to college is a very risky endeavour, but not joining and you're underqualified. Maybe try looking for smaller companies to work in?

We all enjoy art, each with their favorite format (be it painting, literature, 3D, music, etc…). There will never be a lack of artists and I'm my honest and melancholic opinion, studying arts in college isn't all that worth it unless you already have a financial cushion. If you do already have a stable job you like, then go for it. If you enjoy it, that's what matters.



Ultimately, art is just another victim of consumerism, particularly in the digital and audiovisual medium. It's made to sell. Artists are PR machines at this point. "Classic stuff" like writing, painting and drawing, to a certain point, is becoming less valued, it would seem. But trust me: whenever I give a painting I made to someone, particularly portraits, the look on their faces is something else. You just feel it, the distinction between mass produced stuff and something with personal value.

The point I'm trying to make with the last paragraph is that you should continue doing it as a hobby. Something which you are intrinsically motivated to do. Don't regret not pursuing a career out of it. Eventually it would become something you'd do just for the sake of survival rather than enjoyment.

 No.457

I feel like studying art has little correlation with actually being able to create enjoyable or meaningful art. If anything it seems like arts academics only become obsessed with ugliness, measureless relativism and the destruction of meaning.

If you just mean learning the tools of the trade, well, I guess it depends what you do with it. There's certainly high demand for talent in media production & editing. Would you call that art? It's a bit of a different world to painting, sculpture etc.



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